Fox News Military Guest: Torture Is Good, ‘It Worked on John McCain’


#224

Torture does work and McCain admitted himself.

See What John McCain Went Through as a POW

McCain says his torture began in August of 1968. “For the next four days, I was beaten every two or three hours by different guards. My left arm was broken again and my ribs were cracked,” he said according to U.S. News. The North Vietnamese wanted a confession for crimes committed against the North Vietnamese people. After holding out for four days, McCain, at the point of suicide, agreed to write a confession. Looking back on his decision, McCain reflected “I felt just terrible about it… Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine,” he said, according to the report.

Also see Is McCain’s War Record Fair Game?

**McCain has written repeatedly of his service, including a long 1973 magazine article and in his memoir, Faith of My Fathers. A Navy aviator from a military family, he was shot down on his 23rd sortie over Vietnam on October 26, 1967. His mission was to bomb a power plant in the North Vietnamese capital. Already suffering from broken limbs, he was beaten by a crowd before being taken to a POW camp. After being tortured there, he participated in some Vietnamese propaganda efforts. **

"I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine," he later wrote.

The facts are what they are. McCain broke under torture and participated in some Vietnamese propaganda efforts.

Why is this fact so hard to accept? Breaking under the conditions described does not detract from McCain’s service to America. But it does indicate torture can, and sometimes does work as pointed out by McInerney.

JWK

Without a Fifth Column Media, Yellow Journalism, Hollywood, and a corrupted FBI, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary


#225

This entire post is a deflection from the question I asked.

So let’s try, for the third time.

You statement that McInerny was “only stating facts” is contradicted by the fact that your source was anonymous and the claim against him is only an allegation. Focus. How can his statement be factual it’s based on allegation?


#226

So now, ABC and CBS are anonymous sources, and even McCain’s own words are an anonymous source?

Now, that takes the cake!

JWK


#227

And yet again, all you have proved is that torture did not work on McCain. You have refuted McInerney’s claim that torture worked on him. Giving false information is not working. Receiving disinformation is not success. I will ask you the same question you posed to PF, why is this fact so hard to accept?


#228

McCain did not “sing.” He did not give up US secrets.

McCain’s cell mate:


#229

Yay for torture! MAGA!


#230

ABC, CBS and even McCain’s own words prove torture worked. I have provided the evidence.

JWK


#231

None of your sources cite McCain admitted to be a songbird. He, and other cell mates, admit to “singing” false information. He told them the names of the Green Bay Packers were his squad mates. He told them he was a black criminal who performed the deeds of an air pirate, and used Communist jargon in his “confession.”

They did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do, which is exactly what happens regularly when people are tortured-they tell their captors what they want to hear-they just say SOMETHING to try to get the torture to stop, and that regularly includes false and made up information.


#232

No, you did not. Yo proved that torture did NOT work on McCain, as he gave them disinformation. In what bizarro world do you live in where getting bad intelligence, false information, is a sign of great success?


#233

And yet, there is a recording he made, after being tortured, which was used by the Vietnamese for propaganda purposes.

JWK


#234

Communication is hard when both parties can’t adhere to a common set of definitions.


#235

That’s not singing. He gave them no intel. He gave them no information vital to US interests.


#236

Well if Yahoo said it, than it must be true! lol. At least try and entertain us Mr. Gay Paco?
saying yahoo said it, is like trusting CNN, or MSNBC! lol. I mean it’s not even mainstream like ABC, CBS, or NBC. lol.
Mmm, let’s see, a chance to save American lives, or not by getting information out of foreign prisoners? Well the Democrats do enjoy illegal immigrants coming over here and selling illegal drugs and killing kids with them, and raping women. When it comes to terrorism, they don’t seem to care about the safety of Americans.

This is me mocking what the Democrats want to do to Americans prisoners of war; First make them legal citizens, then give them food stamps, or welfare if they want it, and if they chose to work instead, either give them hotels, and gastations. I mean that way they can vote Democrat, and it’ll make things easier for them to plan more things like 9-11 against America. Just leave that border wide open, so illegals can come in, vote Democrat, and kill your sons or daughters, when they have a reaction to the drugs they tried. Either way, in the end we should be apologizing to them. Right Democrats?


#237

His words provided propaganda for the Vietnamese.

JWK


#238

Excellent point!

JWK


#239

You’re not absolved with that statement, you’re just as guilty as the other parties :slight_smile:


#240

I don’t disagree with you. A common set of definitions would be useful.

JWK


#241

How about this…

Success = Good intel that puts American military personnel and assets at risk.

Failure = Disinformation that does nothing to help the enemy.

Under these commonly accepted definitions, did torture work on McCain?


#242

Trump’s words provide propaganda all over the world. What’s your point?

McCain did not sing-he did not betray the US in any way. If you think he did, take it up with the men who were tortured right along with him.


#243

Did he make a recording that was useful for propaganda purposes?

JWK