Follow the science but don't trust the scientists

[Impenitent]

don’t trust the scientists but the world is melting and polar bears are gonna drown…

[altair1013]

@fallenturtle

Let us not forget about the environmental scientists who many on the right believe are part of a grand conspiracy.

And of course the researchers/doctors who specialize in sexuality related issues… they’re also part of a grand conspiracy, I hear.

Let us not forget that scientists will lie for political reasons. For climate change or any other reason.

Scientist Admits Peers Didn’t Promote Lab-Leak Theory Because Trump Did | The Daily Caller

[altair1013]

@tnt

Who could predict that life could be so complicated.

Who could predict that scientists would lie for politics? I’ll tell you who. Every conservative. That’s who.

[zantax]

@altair1013

@fallenturtle

Let us not forget about the environmental scientists who many on the right believe are part of a grand conspiracy.

And of course the researchers/doctors who specialize in sexuality related issues… they’re also part of a grand conspiracy, I hear.

Let us not forget that scientists will lie for political reasons. For climate change or any other reason.

Scientist Admits Peers Didn’t Promote Lab-Leak Theory Because Trump Did | The Daily Caller

Yep, have seen the it admitted several times, same goes for journalists.

[fallenturtle]

@altair1013

@fallenturtle

Let us not forget about the environmental scientists who many on the right believe are part of a grand conspiracy.

And of course the researchers/doctors who specialize in sexuality related issues… they’re also part of a grand conspiracy, I hear.

Let us not forget that scientists will lie for political reasons. For climate change or any other reason.

And here in lies a major issue… if you(c) don’t agree with the scientific consensus, then its not you(c) who is wrong, is that the scientists are lying as part of a grand conspiracy.

Scientist Admits Peers Didn’t Promote Lab-Leak Theory Because Trump Did | The Daily Caller

I don’t understand why people post articles that are based on other articles instead of just posting the original article.

The science around the lab leak theory hasn't changed. But here's why some...

Alina Chan isn’t saying the coronavirus definitely leaked from a lab in China. What she is saying is what more scientists have grown comfortable discussing publicly: There’s no clear evidence either way.

“I know a lot of people want to have a smoking gun,” said Chan, a postdoctoral associate at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University who specializes in genetic engineering and has been vocal about the need to investigate the possibility of a lab leak. “It’s more like breadcrumbs everywhere, and they’re not always leading in one direction. It’s like the whole floor is covered in breadcrumbs.”

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And while public discussion of a potential lab leak has shifted significantly in recent months, as more people pay attention to a theory that was originally promulgated by former President Donald Trump and his followers, the scientific evidence has remained unchanged, according to interviews with five virologists who have experience in microbiology, infectious disease ecology and viral evolution.

The researchers offered near-uniform summations that few conclusions can be drawn based on the available scientific evidence, but they noted that the context and circumstances of the origin debate have changed, particularly as critics point out that China hasn’t been fully transparent about the earliest days of the pandemic.

The shift reflects how some scientists who previously avoided the topic or were quick to dismiss it are grappling with enduring uncertainties about the virus’s origin, free from the politicization that clouded such discussions during the Trump administration.

Chan said there had been trepidation among some scientists about publicly discussing the lab leak hypothesis for fear that their words could be misconstrued or used to support racist rhetoric about how the coronavirus emerged. Trump fueled accusations that the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a research lab in the city where the first Covid-19 cases were reported, was connected to the outbreak, and on numerous occasions he called the pathogen the “Wuhan virus” or “kung flu.”

“At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn’t want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins,” she said.

Now, more scientists are comfortable confronting the gamut of plausible theories — particularly given China’s opacity about the topic — although many still caution that entertaining the idea of a lab leak requires clear scientific proof, which hasn’t materialized.

“There has been no new evidence over the past 16 months that the virus had a lab origin,” said Maciej Boni, an associate professor of biology at Penn State University, who specializes in tropical disease epidemiology and viral evolution.

So basically Trump’s rhetoric led researchers to being uncomfortable vocalize the lab-leak theory.

[fallenturtle]

@altair1013

@tnt

Who could predict that life could be so complicated.

Who could predict that scientists would lie for politics? I’ll tell you who. Every conservative. That’s who.

Every conspiracy theorist, that’s who.

[Camp]

Was it Trump rhetoric or fear of his critic responses?

Either way it is an ineloquent and pitiful excuse for lying.

[Camp]

They sold out the trust we had.

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

consensus

Right on!

[fallenturtle]

@Camp

Was it Trump rhetoric or fear of his critic responses?

Either way it is an ineloquent and pitiful excuse for lying.

Both.

[fallenturtle]

@Camp

They sold out the trust we had.

Ya’ll didn’t trust them anyway. Conspiracy theories about lying scientists have been around for years before covid-19.

[Camp]

I think we did have a much better trust factor of public health before Covid even with criticism of Fauci and his AIDS response.

On a positive note I do think this trust can be restored with better staff and transparency.

[Medicswife2002]

It’s interesting seeing a leftie openly agree that scientists will lie and say anything according to whatever way the political winds blow.

[Camp]

That trust is a valuable thing to lose.

We can rebuild… I think this will have to happen post Biden and Pelosi.

[Hexenbiest]

Its also common to not upset the apple cart to receive funding. Regardless of what comes from this Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance who has deep financial ties with the Wuhan lad had a clear conflict of interest and shouldn’t have been writing papers that the media was using saying there was no way there is a lab leak back a month after it happened. And he definitely didn’t need to be on the WHO investigation team that was sent to China.

[WuWei]

@Camp

On a positive note I do think this trust can be restored with better staff and transparency.

I don’t.

[altair1013]

@fallenturtle

So basically Trump’s rhetoric led researchers to being uncomfortable vocalize the lab-leak theory.

Yeah. That’s it. They lied because they were afraid of Trump. In other words they lied and it was Trumps fault.

[Camp]

Won’t be easy.

Need to end these gain of function labs everywhere also. Playing with fire.

[Camp]

That is what it sounds like…LOL.

[Camp]

Prosecuting the funding cheats would help restore public trust.