Regarding the issue of the OP: The first sentence is more professional and, in my opinion, what news stations should be sticking to. “False” in this casw is an opinion word that is best left out. Can we prove that the election went kosher/smoothly? I have seen evidence of the contrary.

yeah, what I said, technicalities. Not one single case actually went forward to an evidentiary hearing.

Was it the one that paralleled “Hey There Delilah” asking Obama to get a certain boy out of detention?

Not when the second sentence is factual.

Then the first sentence only serves to cloud the issue.

And in the case of Trump and the election…the second sentence is factual. He made objectively false claims about the 2020 election.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the county polling place in Fulton County.

Have you ever worked as an election official?

Ever spoken to one?

Do you have the slightest idea how elections work?

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the answer…I’m not giving anyone a pass anymore for continuing to believe things while being ignorant of how things work.

If you’re not going to put in the effort to learn…you don’t deserve a pass.

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I suppose you are correct if not having evidence that warrants a case proceeding is a technicality

In a scathing order, Judge Matthew W. Brann wrote that President Trump’s campaign, which had asked him to effectively disenfranchise nearly seven million voters, should have come to court “armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption” in its efforts to essentially nullify the results of Pennsylvania’s election.

But instead, Judge Brann complained, the Trump campaign provided only “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations” that were “unsupported by evidence.”

Don’t need to know what he “believes”. Just need to know what he claims (says) and the facts surrounding that claim.

if not that, how do you determine if someone lies?

Whether he believes his false claims or not is irrelevant.

They are false claims.

I could believe with all my heart that the moon landings were faked, or the earth is flat.

Any claims I make that the moon landings were faked or the earth is flat would be false claims.

His denial of reality is not bias. He was told repeatedly that he lost the election. He lied to his followers knowing the truth.

Prove it wrong.

Some have now officially adopted the George Costanza Definition of Lying?

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Well the school was called Brandonton school?

They didn’t say they were not false.

not a lie though

that would be a correct diffinition.

false again, some people told him that, other told him different, you have no idea what he believed

a lie is a knowingly false statement. If you believe a thing and it turns out to be false you were just wrong, not lying.

So, Trump is either lying and/or crazy?

I’m going with both.

or just wrong