Fishy Suddenness Of Catastrophic Abortion Billi

[Dissident_Aggressor]

Abortion Billi can be found in your local seedy alley holding a coat hanger.

[Samm]

@Meriweather

@Blackwolf

That is a negative. But I can see why you’d think that, given some of the reactions.

It does seem to allow for late term abortions…which I thought people were doing before the bill. Why did they need the bill? I still haven’t been able to figure that one out.

According to testimony by the bill sponsor, it not only permits abortion of a full term baby (I can’t even imagine how they would do that) but it allows non-resuscitation of a delivered baby that has not begun to breathe spontaneosly.

[Samm]

Yes, but then murder is an individual decision too.

[Samm]

@Jezcoe

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

If you do believe in death with dignity, then can you see a reason where an abortion is the correct intervention?

No. The only caveat would be when a treatment used to save the mother results in a miscarriage (i.e. natural abortion).

So if a fetus is determined to have 0% chance of survival should the State force the mother to carry to term?

We are talking full-term babies here, not fetuses. If a baby is born with not chance of survival it will die; no abortion required.

Perhaps they should take the wait and see approach and permit post partum abortions up to the age of 2 or 3.

[Blackwolf]

On demand?

[Samm]

@Blackwolf

On demand?

Apparently … all she has to do is convince someone that her mental health is in jeopardy.

[Blackwolf]

@Samm

Apparently … all she has to do is convince someone that her mental health is in jeopardy.

Wrong.

[Samm]

Elaborate.

[Blackwolf]

It’s hardly as easy as you’re attempting to paint it.

[Samm]

@Blackwolf

It’s hardly as easy as you’re attempting to paint it.

Then elaborate.

[dantes]

Have you ever attempted to convince a physician of a malady you don’t have?

[Blackwolf]

You claimed it was “apparently” no more difficult than convincing “someone” that her mental health was in jeopardy. You’re wrong.

That’s all the elaboration that’s needed.

[thinkingman]

@Jezcoe

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

But then if the metric is “living” then we have to determine what that means.

What I see is that some are forcing cruelty on strangers that they would not otherwise agree with if the person in question was 90 years old.

We also have to decide what is, and what is not, cruelty. Discomfort and inconvenience is not cruelty. It should never be,“If I can only discover the word that will press the right button, I’ll get what is comfortable and convenient to me.” I want to deal with specifics.

Let’s take rape as an example. Some stats show that those who do become pregnant due to rate, the rate for aborting that fetus is fifty percent, which means fifty percent of women choose to give birth and either keep the child or give it up for adoption. Some will insist it is cruel to have a person who was rape endure a pregnancy. At face value that is correct. But what if we give that person other facts and other options? I have met some incredible people who are the product of rape. This is a very difficult, very complex issue–and it shouldn’t be treated as though it is not. The half of society who want to fight for life should be given an ear as well. It is not just an individual problem, but a societal one as well.

Well, now we are digressing from the topic at hand and going into other thorny issues around this issue.

My opinion on having a woman carry to term a child from the product of a rape is that it is her choice and hers alone to make.

If one wants to have the information on why she may want to carry to term on hand… that is fine.

That should not be forced on her in my opinion.

just because the mother doesnt approve of the circumstances of how the human being was created doesnt give her the right to end said life

[Samm]

No, but than I am not inclined to do so.

But given the opiate epidemic, it would appear that there are plenty of physicians around who are relatively easy to manipulate with lies.

[Samm]

Just say you don’t know and quit spinning.

[Blackwolf]

@Samm

Just say you don’t know and quit spinning.

Just say you never did, and quit putting out false information.

[Jezcoe]

@Samm

Yes, but then murder is an individual decision too.

Is taking a terminal case off of life support murder?

[Jezcoe]

@Samm

@Jezcoe

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

If you do believe in death with dignity, then can you see a reason where an abortion is the correct intervention?

No. The only caveat would be when a treatment used to save the mother results in a miscarriage (i.e. natural abortion).

So if a fetus is determined to have 0% chance of survival should the State force the mother to carry to term?

We are talking full-term babies here, not fetuses. If a baby is born with not chance of survival it will die; no abortion required.

Perhaps they should take the wait and see approach and permit post partum abortions up to the age of 2 or 3.

You see it is really dumb comments like the last one that shows me that zero thought is being put into this issue.

[Jezcoe]

@thinkingman

@Jezcoe

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

But then if the metric is “living” then we have to determine what that means.

What I see is that some are forcing cruelty on strangers that they would not otherwise agree with if the person in question was 90 years old.

We also have to decide what is, and what is not, cruelty. Discomfort and inconvenience is not cruelty. It should never be,“If I can only discover the word that will press the right button, I’ll get what is comfortable and convenient to me.” I want to deal with specifics.

Let’s take rape as an example. Some stats show that those who do become pregnant due to rate, the rate for aborting that fetus is fifty percent, which means fifty percent of women choose to give birth and either keep the child or give it up for adoption. Some will insist it is cruel to have a person who was rape endure a pregnancy. At face value that is correct. But what if we give that person other facts and other options? I have met some incredible people who are the product of rape. This is a very difficult, very complex issue–and it shouldn’t be treated as though it is not. The half of society who want to fight for life should be given an ear as well. It is not just an individual problem, but a societal one as well.

Well, now we are digressing from the topic at hand and going into other thorny issues around this issue.

My opinion on having a woman carry to term a child from the product of a rape is that it is her choice and hers alone to make.

If one wants to have the information on why she may want to carry to term on hand… that is fine.

That should not be forced on her in my opinion.

just because the mother doesnt approve of the circumstances of how the human being was created doesnt give her the right to end said life

Nothing gives anyone the right to make a rape victim carry a child to term.

If she voluntarily does so, then Godspeed to her.

Forcing her to carry to term is the extreme position in this debate.

[SottoVoce]

@Smyrna

@SottoVoce

That’s the Republican spirit!

…swoooooooooosh…

I’m pretty sure you were referring to a certain Planned Parenthood video. The makers of which have been charged with felonies. I figured since Republicans are big old money loving capitalists at heart, they’d be greatful for the opportunity to make a few extra bucks.