Firing squad, good choice, good choice

WuWei · 2022-04-24T10:46:06.855Z

TheRedComet:

It tends to lead to excesses and mass murder of society’s “undesirables”. That’s my main issue with it.

I don’t disagree with excess in application. It doesn’t work well after the fact.

Janet_Miller · 2022-04-24T14:26:41.984Z

I’m sorry, what?

Nothing if it isn’t forced, as an example, discouraging a couple with one child from having any more due to one member’s medical or family history.

Forcing pregnant women to undergo testing they don’t want and is strictly a “screening”, worth the same as gambling at the race track, or to abort or be sterilized, just no.

Do we really wish to return to this?

Mississippi Appendectomy: History of Involuntary Sterilization of African American Women – Black Mail Blog.

Or this?

en.m.wikipedia.org

Eugenics in California

Eugenics in California is a notable part of eugenics in America. As an early leading force in the field of eugenics, California became the third state in the United States to enact a sterilization law. By 1921, California had accounted for 80% of sterilizations nationwide. This continued until the Civil Rights Movement, when widespread critiques against society's "total institutions" dismantled popular acceptance for the state's forced sterilizations. There were an estimated 20,000 forced ster In...

FloridaYankee · 2022-04-24T14:49:12.547Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

You do know that eugenics was once popular in this country, right?

What’s wrong with eugenics?

If you are the aryan flavor of the day, perhaps nothing.

WuWei · 2022-04-24T14:49:52.481Z

Breeding counts.

FloridaYankee · 2022-04-24T14:51:26.257Z

WuWei:

Breeding counts.

A choice I can make for myself.

WuWei · 2022-04-24T15:25:02.714Z

You© might choose wrongly.

Janet_Miller · 2022-04-24T15:47:45.579Z

Just, what?

Are we planning to force our definition of what traits are desirable on other?

Breeding, hmm, are we talking about human beings or breeds in a dog show?

WuWei · 2022-04-24T15:50:23.273Z

I didn’t mention “force”.

Breeding is breeding.

Janet_Miller · 2022-04-24T15:54:53.331Z

Looks like somebody wishes a return of the philosophy of this wretched individual:

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/07/14/does-ruth-bader-ginsburg-support-eugenics

So what’s it all about?

What populations do we “not want too many”?

WuWei · 2022-04-24T16:05:59.766Z

Janet_Miller:

What populations do we “not want too many”?

Stupid people.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2022-04-24T16:32:49.286Z

FloridaYankee:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

You do know that eugenics was once popular in this country, right?

What’s wrong with eugenics?

If you are the aryan flavor of the day, perhaps nothing.

It doesn’t even require that. You can put race aside (although they didn’t) and just apply cold blooded science. Or, as in the point I am trying to make to Samm, economics. That is why we shouldn’t run the country like a business.

FloridaYankee · 2022-04-24T17:15:17.569Z

WuWei:

You© might choose wrongly.

Yup. Too bad.

Samm · 2022-04-24T21:33:10.856Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

You’re the one who argued against death sentences based on cost. I’m just pointing out the most significant reason that’s true … endless appeals.

But do you begrudge someone fighting for their lives for these appeals.

Taking people to court is the American way if they felt they were wronged.

I don’t begrudge them expressing their opinion at all. What I begrudge is their misplaced and selective morality costing me money and delaying justice and closure for the friends and family of the victims. I can understand and accept the condemned fighting for their lives, but that’s to be expected from someone who is so selfish and irresponsible that they would callously take someone’s life for personal reasons. In short, they are not who was wronged.

Samm · 2022-04-24T21:39:39.928Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

And since you© guys always love to claim being for the death sentence and against abortion is hypocritical, why isn’t the opposite equally true?

I am not a prog, but a common sense liberal.

Of course you are.

biggestal99:

If all life is precious as is claimed, why the bloodlust?

It’s not bloodlust, it’s justice. One could even say it’s compassion. A quick death is merciful compared to being caged up with a lot of very unpleasant and often dangerous other criminals for the rest of their lives. And it’s a lot more compassionate than what they showed their victims.

It would be nice if you gave the unborn dead half of the concern that you give heinous killers.

gooddad409 · 2022-04-24T21:40:53.654Z

Samm:

biggestal99:

Janet_Miller:

I’m more of a non supporter of capital punishment, but suspect firing squad is the more humane method if it’s a states’ rights issue.

Lol. I am against the death penalty in all cases.

State sanctioned murder is not for me.

By definition, an execution by the State, following due process and a verdict rendered by a jury, is not murder, but I get your point.

However, paradoxically, you support legal elective abortion …

Supports the abortion of the truly innocent but opposes a death penalty for murderers? Go figure.

Samm · 2022-04-24T21:48:57.663Z

And they have the unmitigated gall to call us hypocrites.

gooddad409 · 2022-04-24T22:06:49.312Z

Samm:

And they have the unmitigated gall to call us hypocrites.

They do. Pathetic.

biggestal99 · 2022-04-24T23:05:12.235Z

gooddad409:

Supports the abortion of the truly innocent but opposes a death penalty for murderers? Go figure.

Some Pro life People tell me life is precious. Is it suddenly Not when it comes to state sanctioned murder.

Guess you aren’t that kind of pro-lifer. It’s a pity.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2022-04-24T23:08:12.912Z

Samm:

I don’t begrudge them expressing their opinion at all. What I begrudge is their misplaced and selective morality costing me money and delaying justice and closure for the friends and family of the victims

Appeals are justice. I get it. Ollie north appeals good. Roger stone appeals good.

Convicted murderers on the hand, get the short straw of appeals.

Allan

Samm · 2022-04-24T23:17:58.999Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

I don’t begrudge them expressing their opinion at all. What I begrudge is their misplaced and selective morality costing me money and delaying justice and closure for the friends and family of the victims

Appeals are justice. I get it. Ollie north appeals good. Roger stone appeals good.

Convicted murderers on the hand, get the short straw of appeals.

Appeals that are not filed to correct an error in the application of the law, but only serve to delay justice, are obstruction of justice.