Find any Trump Russia collusion yet?

dantes · 2019-01-04T00:31:45.735Z

Meh. Better than purposefully trying to muddy the waters.

The poster was highlighting that the post-event “explanations” of the meeting have turned out to be lies that had to be back tracked after discovery of contradictory contemporaneous emails discussing some of the meeting.

They are stating, quite rationally, that they would disregard any after the fact cover story from the Trump’s but would rely on the emails from the time of the event as primary evidence and very reliable.

That is, if we want to be rational about this.

As an aside, if anyone thinks Trump didn’t know about this meeting needs their head examined.

What do you call it when everyone lies about a supposed “total legal” meeting?

Suspicious.

DougBH · 2019-01-04T00:37:13.874Z

Yes. Suspicious. And my very obvious point is that you can’t just fill in the unknown parts of what the meeting might have been about even if you don’t believe it was about what Trump Jr said.
You can’t understand that point?
And if you are relying on pre meeting conversations, remember the “I love it”. That statement was made about the meeting being about getting dirt on Hillary. That is the evidence we have.

daha · 2019-01-04T00:49:45.867Z

Cratic3947:

Seems all hopes are pinned on Cohen composing about Prague…

Two years and noting but low quality indictments by the Enron/Ted Stevens crew…

I’m honestly curious (not expecting an honest response of course). How long do you folks feel this investigation should have taken? A week, a month? How long do you think it should have taken Mueller to exhaust all possible avenues and put out a report?

dantes · 2019-01-04T00:51:59.934Z

I’m not suggesting they be put on trial based only on the email contents. I’m glad there’s an investigation trying to get to the bottom of it. An investigation which is wrongly maligned as being a witch hunt when there are deadly serious issues at play here.

As for the trial of public opinion, they’ve already lost that for me. Their repeated lies should raise the concern of others as well.

carpe_diem · 2019-01-04T01:56:10.253Z

waiting

If Trump looked the wrong way, they’d try and charge him with something.
Some how it would be Russian Collusion, because they’d say he got the look
from Putin. lol.

margaretms2 · 2019-01-04T15:54:50.706Z

We don’t really argue about politics around here at all; we argue about reality._

hindsight · 2019-01-04T15:58:17.262Z

carpe_diem:

If Trump looked the wrong way, they’d try and charge him with something.
Some how it would be Russian Collusion, because they’d say he got the look
from Putin. lol.

So you’re saying Donald Trump is competely innocent with regards to conspiring with Russia and its agents to influence the results of the 2016 election?

DOLOOP · 2019-01-04T16:19:29.626Z

margaretms2:

We don’t really argue about politics around here at all; we argue about reality._

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This! This! This!

Man, I look forward to the day when we can go back to arguing politics. There’s a few folks I’d surely disagree with a lot more than I do now, and healthily so!

Phaedrus · 2019-01-04T16:25:45.921Z

Cratic3947:

ImRightYoureWrong:

Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would say “see no collusion”

Hillary killed tons of people for no reason we know of, and laughed about it, then you voted for her…

What color is the sky in your world?

Cratic3947 · 2019-01-04T17:45:45.239Z

Phaedrus:

Cratic3947:

ImRightYoureWrong:

Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would say “see no collusion”

Hillary killed tons of people for no reason we know of, and laughed about it, then you voted for her…

What color is the sky in your world?

depends on the weather…

Cratic3947 · 2019-01-04T17:46:34.731Z

hindsight:

carpe_diem:

If Trump looked the wrong way, they’d try and charge him with something.
Some how it would be Russian Collusion, because they’d say he got the look
from Putin. lol.

So you’re saying Donald Trump is competely innocent with regards to conspiring with Russia and its agents to influence the results of the 2016 election?

Yes… Obviously…

Cratic3947 · 2019-01-08T19:33:45.328Z

You would think collusion on a scale to win a national election would be easy to find. Obama said it was impossible to fix a presidential election…

margaretms2 · 2019-01-08T19:46:44.697Z

It seems weird to me that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, was sharing 2016 election polling data with a Russian intelligence operative, and then lied about doing so. Maybe that’s just normal campaign campaign manager behavior. Maybe Kilimnik is just a US political data buff. Who can say?

mobiusptc · 2019-01-08T19:47:51.093Z

margaretms2:

It seems weird to me that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, was sharing 2016 election polling data with a Russian intelligence operative, and then lied about doing so. Maybe that’s just normal campaign campaign manager behavior. Maybe Kilimnik is just a US political data buff. Who can say?

this thread aged remarkably well

Axxowiz · 2019-01-08T19:59:14.106Z

I heard the same bs coming from the right during the Benghazi extravaganza. Mueller will write a report and then Trumps legal team will respond with their own. A couple dozen congressmen will talk about impeaching Trump but it won’t lead to nowhere because Nancy knows it’s dead in the senate.

By the time people figure all this out the 2020 election will already have passed.

PeterGriffin · 2019-01-08T20:00:33.036Z

Axxowiz:

I heard the same bs coming from the right during the Benghazi extravaganza. Mueller will write a report and then Trumps legal team will respond with their own. A couple dozen congressmen will talk about impeaching Trump but it won’t lead to nowhere because Nancy knows it’s dead in the senate.

By the time people figure all this out the 2020 election will already have passed.

That’s a pretty ineffectual equivocation between the Benghazi hoax and the criminal investigations into Trump and his circles.

DOLOOP · 2019-01-08T23:49:26.862Z

PeterGriffin:

Axxowiz:

I heard the same bs coming from the right during the Benghazi extravaganza. Mueller will write a report and then Trumps legal team will respond with their own. A couple dozen congressmen will talk about impeaching Trump but it won’t lead to nowhere because Nancy knows it’s dead in the senate.

By the time people figure all this out the 2020 election will already have passed.

That’s a pretty ineffectual equivocation between the Benghazi hoax and the criminal investigations into Trump and his circles.

“(P)retty ineffectual equivocation” is about the most generous characterization one could have given that statement.

sikofit · 2019-01-09T02:27:36.946Z

Cratic3947:

Seems all hopes are pinned on Cohen composing about Prague…

Oops
10miscalcultions

SaysWho · 2019-01-09T02:30:02.605Z

The question going forward is how we deal with those denying collusion happened. They are essentially creationists now and aren’t really existing on the plane of reality like everyone else is.

Like are they lying, lying to themselves, do they not understand what is going on?

It’s an interesting dilemma.

Axxowiz · 2019-01-09T03:18:28.722Z

Ya Benghazi was a lot worse Americans died. Not some Russian trolls buying Facebook ads. This isn’t going to go we’re you guys have been pumping it for two years.