WuWei
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Oh balderdash! That’s what soldiers do.
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Yes, that was mentioned in one of the links I posted. Post Vietnam was not a good time for recruiting.
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I don’t see that happening today, the pool of people willing and actually able to serve has shrunk considerably!
WuWei
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Still in the demo phase. An event is required.
My prediction is recruitment will continue to decline, and in about 5 years there will be discussion of reinstating the draft.
That will not go over well. At all.
Many civilian employers are short staffed as well. Believe it or not, my garbage contractor lacked drivers and it looked like a dump here for a week because we got no pickup.
My neighbor was pissed because his got dragged by wild animals and he’s trying to sell his property. Oops 
Declining recruitment, though, could compromise security. I’d be 100% in favor of the draft for able bodied men once they’ve finished high school.
Why not? That’s a requirement in my husband’s native country. It can be delayed for university, but in the absence of two years of service, no diploma is issued.
In parts of Southeast Asia, young men are required a minimum of two years service in a monastery. I say why not to both of these requirements.
It seems young men in particular are failing to reach adulthood mentally, with many more likely to live at home after their female counterparts have moved out. Two years in the Army might get them focused on goals and help them grow up, so to speak, and the G I Bill is still in place for education.
Uhm… why just males?
I’m opposed to conscription for moral reasons. But if you are going institute the levee en masse it must apply to all citizens equally.
Either the females go too, or no one goes.
Sorry can’t agree.
It’s a defense force and only the most physically strong should go, for starters.
If women are going to be conscripted, they should, IMO, serve separately. Much fuss as has been made about gay & trans in the military, far more destructive possibilities exist when young men and women, probably away from home the first time and lonely, serve together.
Men can’t exactly become pregnant to avoid unpleasant duties.
Women engaged in combat operations have possibilities as POW that men don’t, or aren’t as likely to have, like rape. Finally, having grown up with and been around a number of veterans, many have recounted experience seeing the number of soldiers needed to perform certain jobs go up with the inclusion of women—for example, the two men required to transport an injured soldier onto a guerney going up to a four person transport upon the inclusion of women.
IMO Feminism with its lies like equality of the sexes is pure evil, and mixing of the sexes to make the service inclusive of pregnant members has been disastrous for all.
I never said men and women are equal on all matters. We clearly aren’t.
My point is that when it comes rights and “duties” as citizens, we are equal and thus must be equally responsible.
All of those others things can be figured out. But to require only men to serve in a levee en masse by force, punishable by imprisonment if they refuse, is discrimination at its finest.
That was the goal of the original feminists was it not? Not these modern men hating pink hair freaks, but the intent of the original women who fought for equality? They fought for full rights as citizens. That does come with some responsibilities. Namely if the nation declares the levee.
JayJay
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That’s not necessarily a bad thing.
WuWei
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Horse feathers. I have known and trained many female soldier. A lot of female soldiers. The best of them are just as capable as any male. What they lack in one area, they more than make up for in others.
They have learned to adapt. And they are TOUGH.
I would take an all female team in a minute, as long as I pick. Of course I would also deman to pick an all me team.
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WuWei
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“Equal” is not a useful word in this context. Males and females are different. Which is better for a given mission is METT-TC dependent.
They fought for an equality that exists nowhere on planet 
. And no, I really don’t believe they did fight for equality, at least not the 1960s era and beyond.
The 1920s feminists who fought to achieve like the men, maybe. But 1960s and beyond haven’t fought for equal treatment, but special treatment, and it’s been to the detriment of society as a whole.
Whose being done a favor being put in a job whose physical fitness requirements they can’t meet? Or being told what’s good for the goose is good for the gander only to find out differently when pregnancy enters the picture.
How many women are sentenced to death upon conviction for capital crimes vs men? That’s equality?
I can’t agree on an IDF style conscription of both sexes for military service unless women serve separately. Have a good rest of your night.
Here’s the latest thing that popped up about this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-press-pentagon-for-answers-as-military-recruiting-crisis-deepens/ar-AA102vDi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=129e993ffc37494aa5ad7aaf5ba0e539
While leaders from the different military branches have all acknowledged the problem, they also have been unable to move the needle in a positive direction, as the desire of young Americans to join the military falls off the statistical cliff.
“We are on the cusp of a military recruiting crisis,” Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) told POLITICO, citing Covid, obesity among would-be recruits, competition from the healthy civilian labor market, and an overall low interest in serving. “When Republicans take control of Congress in a few months,” he added, “averting the recruiting crisis will be a top priority of the Military Personnel Subcommittee.” Gallagher is the top Republican on the House Armed Services’ subpanel.
Multiple lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have expressed similar worries in recent days as the grim recruiting numbers continue to circulate throughout the DoD and Congress.
Safiel
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The situation will not improve.
It will likely only get worse.
The government has two long term choices.
- Shrink the military to what is available with an all volunteer force.
- Institute conscription.
Conscription might seem unthinkable at the moment, but when numbers fall to the point that the military industrial complex is threatened, you will see conscription instituted quickly enough.
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I completely agree it will definitely get worse. I also believe I read that they have already lowered their numbers and are still having problems getting to the lower numbers. Regarding conscription, in what ways is conscription different from a draft?
Safiel
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Actually, they both describe the same process.
A draft describes the method of choosing those to be conscripted, while conscription itself is the actual induction of those drafted into the military.
In casual usage, however, the terms are interchangeable.
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Safiel
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I will say, if we choose to institute conscription down the road, it has to be run vastly different from the past.
Grab students right out of high school by random draw.
NO college deferments. In fact, any deferment should be almost impossible. Enough individuals would have to be drafted in order to separate the wheat from the chaff. We know that many will turn up 4F for weight, medical conditions, being a dumb ■■■■ and so forth. So enough must be drafted that you net a sufficient number of conscriptable individuals.
And it must be impossible for the rich or powerful to game the system.
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