Fess up. Who’s still virtue signaling?

[rp5x5]

Studies show that Leftists and RINO’s get more Covid.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@tnt

@zantax

How many times do you want me to answer this, I already have several times. Because people at high risk would be just as safe wearing their own quality mask as they would under current style mask mandates and young and healthy people have very little to fear.

You are being willfully obtuse.

The question wasn’t “would other things have been as effective as the mandates?”

The question was “Did the mandates have a positive affect?”

And the answer is yes.

and remember, at the time of the mandates, high quality masks were scarce. So your hypothetical alternative was impossible. In the absence of a high quality mask for everyone who needs one, low quality masks on EVERYONE is obviously a good choice because we know deaths and cases fell where that was enforced.

And what you also continue to ignore is, while the young and healthy don’t have much to fear from covid - particularly Omicron - they still can spread it to people who should be cautious. So if cases spike and deaths spike, a mandate for everyone to mask might be warranted again. Because that is a better level of community protection than just those trying to to get the virus masking.

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

We don’t have the hard data to say this is true.

Like I said…difficult to craft a study that definitively answers this question.

[tnt]

@zantax

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

That’s all there is to it.

You are wrong.

They made a difference.

[JayJay]

We do not know they did…or rather, how much they did…because studies to measure mask efficacy while controlling for other factors is just very difficult

[zantax]

@tnt

@zantax

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

That’s all there is to it.

You are wrong.

They made a difference.

Didn’t say they didn’t so knock off the strawman.

[thinkingman]

@JayJay

We do not know they did…or rather, how much they did…because studies to measure mask efficacy while controlling for other factors is just very difficult

right

surgical masks dont do squat against viruses

the nutty tyrant left just needs their outward signal that you obey

[thinkingman]

@tnt

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

dont apologize for lies

[thinkingman]

@tnt

@zantax

Again, I never claimed they did nothing, my claim was they were unnecessary if we knew then what we know now. You seem to be struggling with understanding simple language.

So something that results in fewer cases and deaths is unnecessary.

Got it.

hazmat suits would save a few lives too prob. why not force those?

[tnt]

@JayJay

We do not know they did…or rather, how much they did…because studies to measure mask efficacy while controlling for other factors is just very difficult

The kansas study is pretty convincing that they had a positive affect. Agree that it’s hard to know exactly how much.

[gooddad409]

@thinkingman

@tnt

@zantax

Again, I never claimed they did nothing, my claim was they were unnecessary if we knew then what we know now. You seem to be struggling with understanding simple language.

So something that results in fewer cases and deaths is unnecessary.

Got it.

hazmat suits would save a few lives too prob. why not force those?

Don’t give the Karen’s any ideas.

[Optrader]

@tnt

@zantax

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

That’s all there is to it.

You are wrong.

They made a difference.

So what is the threshold of death that warrants taking away our freedoms?

[tnt]

@Optrader

So what is the threshold of death that warrants taking away our freedoms?

Pointing out for the second time in this thread that wearing masks in public allowed us to regain some freedoms by lowering the risk of catching and spreading covid.

[Optrader]

@tnt

@Optrader

So what is the threshold of death that warrants taking away our freedoms?

Pointing out for the second time in this thread that wearing masks in public allowed us to regain some freedoms by lowering the risk of catching and spreading covid.

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

[tnt]

@Optrader

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

A very lethal, airborne virus was ripping through our country, killing thousands of americans a day and putting hundreds of thousands in the hospital, overwhelming the health care system.

[zantax]

@tnt

@Optrader

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

A very lethal, airborne virus was ripping through our country, killing thousands of americans a day and putting hundreds of thousands in the hospital, overwhelming the health care system.

And by very lethal you mean slightly worse than the flu.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@tnt

@Optrader

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

A very lethal, airborne virus was ripping through our country, killing thousands of americans a day and putting hundreds of thousands in the hospital, overwhelming the health care system.

And by very lethal you mean slightly worse than the flu.

Even now after all this time, probably at least twice as lethal as the flu during the course of the pandemic.

And who knows what the long term effects on people will be?

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

@tnt

@Optrader

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

A very lethal, airborne virus was ripping through our country, killing thousands of americans a day and putting hundreds of thousands in the hospital, overwhelming the health care system.

And by very lethal you mean slightly worse than the flu.

Even now after all this time, probably at least twice as lethal as the flu during the course of the pandemic.

And who knows what the long term effects on people will be?

Let me know when they finally separate died from covid from died with covid and then we can look at the numbers. And it’s less deadly than the flu in regard to the young and healthy.

[JayJay]

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@tnt

@Optrader

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

A very lethal, airborne virus was ripping through our country, killing thousands of americans a day and putting hundreds of thousands in the hospital, overwhelming the health care system.

And by very lethal you mean slightly worse than the flu.

Even now after all this time, probably at least twice as lethal as the flu during the course of the pandemic.

And who knows what the long term effects on people will be?

Let me know when they finally separate died from covid from died with covid and then we can look at the numbers. And it’s less deadly than the flu in regard to the young and healthy.

When it comes to our healthcare system…young, old, it doesn’t matter.

And it put enough young people in the hospital so that our hospitals became overwhelmed at times.

Foolish to critique stuff that happened early in the pandemic when we didn’t know what we know now.

If we tried what China is still doing now over here, or even something remotely similar to it, I would agree with you. Those days are over, especially with how transmissible and immune-evading this new variant is.

PS The idea that mask mandates are tyranny is stupid. I get the resistance to lockdowns…I get the resistance to vaccine mandates.

But the right wing calling mask mandates tyranny is simple childishness and being contrary just to be contrary. Masks work- how much they work is up for debate, but they work. And they’re easy to do.

And one thing the masks WON’T do is give you CO poisoning or other health issues. Speaking of trash studies…

[Mountain_Soldier]

@Guilds

@Optrader

Our freedoms were taken away and lives ruined under the guise of public safety

This is the problem.

Too many Americans are spoiled brats, and any inconvenience, is labeled “taking away our freedom!!”

This is literally one of the best times to be alive on (most of) earth, with all the advances humans have made… technology, medical advances, safety, etc…

America has become a bunch of wussies…

You’re right. People are all worked up over gender identity and pronouns… but you probably see those as legitimate grievances.

[Optrader]

@JayJay

@zantax

@JayJay

@zantax

@tnt

@Optrader

So if wearing masks allowed us to “regain” some freedoms, you are admitting that we first lost those freedoms. What was the justification for us losing those freedoms before mask mandates allowed us to regain them.

A very lethal, airborne virus was ripping through our country, killing thousands of americans a day and putting hundreds of thousands in the hospital, overwhelming the health care system.

And by very lethal you mean slightly worse than the flu.

Even now after all this time, probably at least twice as lethal as the flu during the course of the pandemic.

And who knows what the long term effects on people will be?

Let me know when they finally separate died from covid from died with covid and then we can look at the numbers. And it’s less deadly than the flu in regard to the young and healthy.

When it comes to our healthcare system…young, old, it doesn’t matter.

And it put enough young people in the hospital so that our hospitals became overwhelmed at times.

Foolish to critique stuff that happened early in the pandemic when we didn’t know what we know now.

If we tried what China is still doing now over here, or even something remotely similar to it, I would agree with you. Those days are over, especially with how transmissible and immune-evading this new variant is.

PS The idea that mask mandates are tyranny is stupid. I get the resistance to lockdowns…I get the resistance to vaccine mandates.

But the right wing calling mask mandates tyranny is simple childishness and being contrary just to be contrary. Masks work- how much they work is up for debate, but they work. And they’re easy to do.

And one thing the masks WON’T do is give you CO poisoning or other health issues. Speaking of trash studies…

Walls work too. How much they work is up for debate, but they work. And they’re easy to do…