Fess up. Who’s still virtue signaling?

zantax · 2022-07-14T15:32:28.654Z

tnt:

zantax:

Again, I never claimed they did nothing, my claim was they were unnecessary if we knew then what we know now. You seem to be struggling with understanding simple language.

So something that results in fewer cases and deaths is unnecessary.

Got it.

In hindsight, yes.

tnt · 2022-07-14T16:12:09.494Z

zantax:

In hindsight, yes.

Why is it unnecessary if fewer people died because of it?

zantax · 2022-07-14T16:14:47.344Z

tnt:

zantax:

In hindsight, yes.

Why is it unnecessary if fewer people died because of it?

How many times do you want me to answer this, I already have several times. Because people at high risk would be just as safe wearing their own quality mask as they would under current style mask mandates and young and healthy people have very little to fear.

TheRedComet · 2022-07-14T17:03:51.931Z

Take emotion out of it and think purely on logic.

The world economy essentially destroyed itself over Covid. We haven’t recovered from it yet and it’ll be another five years before things even start to approach pre-Covid status.

Looking back was that the right call? I’m not sure.

Maybe we should have taken more risks. It may would have increased fatalities, which is terrible. But sometimes there are bad options and worse options. Covid response destroyed millions of lives world wide. The entire economy of the world literally ground to a halt. Was that the right course of action?

Once again I’m not sure.

zantax · 2022-07-14T17:20:24.090Z

Whatever you do don’t look at non-covid excess deaths that are rapidly mounting and are way above pre-covid death rates.

tnt · 2022-07-14T17:50:25.199Z

zantax:

How many times do you want me to answer this, I already have several times. Because people at high risk would be just as safe wearing their own quality mask as they would under current style mask mandates and young and healthy people have very little to fear.

You are being willfully obtuse.

The question wasn’t “would other things have been as effective as the mandates?”

The question was “Did the mandates have a positive affect?”

And the answer is yes.

and remember, at the time of the mandates, high quality masks were scarce. So your hypothetical alternative was impossible. In the absence of a high quality mask for everyone who needs one, low quality masks on EVERYONE is obviously a good choice because we know deaths and cases fell where that was enforced.

And what you also continue to ignore is, while the young and healthy don’t have much to fear from covid - particularly Omicron - they still can spread it to people who should be cautious. So if cases spike and deaths spike, a mandate for everyone to mask might be warranted again. Because that is a better level of community protection than just those trying to to get the virus masking.

tnt · 2022-07-14T17:51:55.263Z

TheRedComet:

Take emotion out of it and think purely on logic.

The world economy essentially destroyed itself over Covid. We haven’t recovered from it yet and it’ll be another five years before things even start to approach pre-Covid status.

Looking back was that the right call? I’m not sure.

Maybe we should have taken more risks. It may would have increased fatalities, which is terrible. But sometimes there are bad options and worse options. Covid response destroyed millions of lives world wide. The entire economy of the world literally ground to a halt. Was that the right course of action?

Once again I’m not sure.

Mask mandates let us open up the economy and do business again while slowing the spread of covid.

zantax · 2022-07-14T19:11:16.990Z

tnt:

zantax:

How many times do you want me to answer this, I already have several times. Because people at high risk would be just as safe wearing their own quality mask as they would under current style mask mandates and young and healthy people have very little to fear.

You are being willfully obtuse.

The question wasn’t “would other things have been as effective as the mandates?”

The question was “Did the mandates have a positive affect?”

And the answer is yes.

and remember, at the time of the mandates, high quality masks were scarce. So your hypothetical alternative was impossible. In the absence of a high quality mask for everyone who needs one, low quality masks on EVERYONE is obviously a good choice because we know deaths and cases fell where that was enforced.

And what you also continue to ignore is, while the young and healthy don’t have much to fear from covid - particularly Omicron - they still can spread it to people who should be cautious. So if cases spike and deaths spike, a mandate for everyone to mask might be warranted again. Because that is a better level of community protection than just those trying to to get the virus masking.

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

rp5x5 · 2022-07-14T19:18:26.432Z

Studies show that Leftists and RINO’s get more Covid.

JayJay · 2022-07-14T19:25:30.949Z

zantax:

tnt:

zantax:

How many times do you want me to answer this, I already have several times. Because people at high risk would be just as safe wearing their own quality mask as they would under current style mask mandates and young and healthy people have very little to fear.

You are being willfully obtuse.

The question wasn’t “would other things have been as effective as the mandates?”

The question was “Did the mandates have a positive affect?”

And the answer is yes.

and remember, at the time of the mandates, high quality masks were scarce. So your hypothetical alternative was impossible. In the absence of a high quality mask for everyone who needs one, low quality masks on EVERYONE is obviously a good choice because we know deaths and cases fell where that was enforced.

And what you also continue to ignore is, while the young and healthy don’t have much to fear from covid - particularly Omicron - they still can spread it to people who should be cautious. So if cases spike and deaths spike, a mandate for everyone to mask might be warranted again. Because that is a better level of community protection than just those trying to to get the virus masking.

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

We don’t have the hard data to say this is true.

Like I said…difficult to craft a study that definitively answers this question.

tnt · 2022-07-14T19:25:50.554Z

zantax:

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

That’s all there is to it.

You are wrong.

They made a difference.

JayJay · 2022-07-14T19:27:32.412Z

We do not know they did…or rather, how much they did…because studies to measure mask efficacy while controlling for other factors is just very difficult

zantax · 2022-07-14T20:47:34.122Z

tnt:

zantax:

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

That’s all there is to it.

You are wrong.

They made a difference.

Didn’t say they didn’t so knock off the strawman.

thinkingman · 2022-07-14T21:02:51.099Z

JayJay:

We do not know they did…or rather, how much they did…because studies to measure mask efficacy while controlling for other factors is just very difficult

right

surgical masks dont do squat against viruses

the nutty tyrant left just needs their outward signal that you obey

thinkingman · 2022-07-14T21:04:34.201Z

tnt:

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

dont apologize for lies

thinkingman · 2022-07-14T21:06:52.031Z

tnt:

zantax:

Again, I never claimed they did nothing, my claim was they were unnecessary if we knew then what we know now. You seem to be struggling with understanding simple language.

So something that results in fewer cases and deaths is unnecessary.

Got it.

hazmat suits would save a few lives too prob. why not force those?

tnt · 2022-07-14T22:13:28.252Z

JayJay:

We do not know they did…or rather, how much they did…because studies to measure mask efficacy while controlling for other factors is just very difficult

The kansas study is pretty convincing that they had a positive affect. Agree that it’s hard to know exactly how much.

gooddad409 · 2022-07-14T22:30:13.868Z

thinkingman:

tnt:

zantax:

Again, I never claimed they did nothing, my claim was they were unnecessary if we knew then what we know now. You seem to be struggling with understanding simple language.

So something that results in fewer cases and deaths is unnecessary.

Got it.

hazmat suits would save a few lives too prob. why not force those?

Don’t give the Karen’s any ideas.

Optrader · 2022-07-14T23:03:43.634Z

tnt:

zantax:

No, they are no more likely to spread it to the vulnerable if mask mandates are in place than if they weren’t in place and the person at risk wore a quality N or K mask. You are just being obtuse at this point.

Sorry. Mask mandates cut the cases and deaths.

That’s all there is to it.

You are wrong.

They made a difference.

So what is the threshold of death that warrants taking away our freedoms?

tnt · 2022-07-15T00:16:15.484Z

Optrader:

So what is the threshold of death that warrants taking away our freedoms?

Pointing out for the second time in this thread that wearing masks in public allowed us to regain some freedoms by lowering the risk of catching and spreading covid.