Female athlete complains about competing against transgender males

[Medicswife2002]

Nobody can change bone density, lung capacity, height, and other advantages that XY competitors receive at birth. Ignoring those facts to the detriment of XX competitors is obviously now common practice.

Its refreshing some Dem posters agree, but they’re clearly outnumbered.

Woke folks are tearing into the opportunities young ladies worked for years to earn in the already heavily male-dominated world of sports - yet any woman speaking against this practice is pinned as a transphobe. Nice tactics, nice pile of woke ■■■■■■■■■

[fallenturtle]

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

@WuWei

Thank you. That doesn’t seem at all accurate.

So you vs the WHO, APA, CIHR, and the NHS? How many professionals disagreeing with you does it take to question your beliefs?

Lab coats don’t scare me.

Let’s look at it:

refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions and identities of” people that “varies from society to society and can change over time” how society interacts with and categorizes individuals.

Socially constructed roles - ok, sort of. But irrelevant to our context. There are both men’s and women’s sports - the roles are the same. Society has also accepted women as bread winners to some extent.

Behaviors?

Expressions? Like what?

Behaviors are how we act and interact. For example the idea that men are domineering vs women being submissive. Playing with toy guns vs playing with dolls.

Expressions is how we portray ourselves. Mannerisms, way of speaking, how and what we wear, makeup, that sort of stuff.

@WuWei

Identities - now we’re getting somewhere. Did society construct man as woman?

Nope.

@WuWei

Do these roles really vary from society to society?

There are commonalities, but also variations.

@WuWei

Where did which society construct man is woman?

There is no single society we can point at. It’s an ever changing amalgamation that predates history. Here in the US its highly influenced by western society.

@WuWei

How society interacts with? In this context? I’m not sure what that means.

Societal expectations and how we treat and segregate along gender lines. Is the man the breadwinner? Is the woman expected to stay home and care for the children? Can a woman ask a man out on a date?

@WuWei

Accepts males giving skull fractures to females as long as there’s a referee?

Sure. Is it the aspect that they weren’t evenly matched physically what upsets you here or that who you consider a man hit a woman?

@WuWei

Categorizes? Society? Or are they mis-categorizing themselves?

It would be society miscategorizing. “You’re a girl! You can’t play baseball!”

[fallenturtle]

@Medicswife2002

Nobody can change bone density, lung capacity, height, and other advantages that XY competitors receive at birth.

Male newborns have, on average, different bone density, lung capacity, and height of female newborns?

[Axxowiz]

Very few people I know had any issues with drag queens or transgenders in general. I could care less what anyone wants to do with their body as an adult and no one should be persecuted for dressing as a woman.

However we have entered into a different arena altogether in sporting competition with biological born females there is no getting around that they are at a disadvantage to those who identify as a woman but once was a man and this will be seen more and more as female worlds records keep getting broke.

If they want to ruin female sports go ahead I don’t have any daughters and don’t watch women’s sports but it’s going to piss off a lot of people who do and likely to have a political backlash.

[fallenturtle]

@Axxowiz

Very few people I know had any issues with drag queens or transgenders in general. I could care less what anyone wants to do with their body as an adult and no one should be persecuted for dressing as a woman.

However we have entered into a different arena altogether in sporting competition with biological born females there is no getting around that they are at a disadvantage to those who identify as a woman but once was a man and this will be seen more and more as female worlds records keep getting broke.

If they want to ruin female sports go ahead I don’t have any daughters and don’t watch women’s sports but it’s going to piss off a lot of people who do and likely to have a political backlash.

Please see:

WHEREAS multiple studies show that trans women who have gone through testosterone-based puberty and have undergone HRT for a sufficient time can compete with cis women without a disproportionate advantage.

WHEREAS “there have been transgender women competing in sports such as golf (Mianne Bagger and Lana Lawless), cycling (Natalie Van Gogh, Michelle Dumaresq, and Kristin Worley), martial arts (Nong Toom, and Fallon Fox), and basketball (Gabrielle Ludwig)” and “[n]one of these women has been particularly successful at the highest levels of sport after gender reassignment.”

WHEREAS “even transgender girls who do not access hormone blockers or cross-gender hormones display a great deal of physical variation, just as there is a great deal of natural variation in physical size and ability among non-transgender girls and boys” since “[t]he response to testosterone exposure . . . is idiosyncratic[.]”
THEREFORE, trans women do not have an inherent immutable athletic advantage over cis women.

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[AngraMainyu]

@Axxowiz

Very few people I know had any issues with drag queens or transgenders in general. I could care less what anyone wants to do with their body as an adult and no one should be persecuted for dressing as a woman.

However we have entered into a different arena altogether in sporting competition with biological born females there is no getting around that they are at a disadvantage to those who identify as a woman but once was a man and this will be seen more and more as female worlds records keep getting broke.

If they want to ruin female sports go ahead I don’t have any daughters and don’t watch women’s sports but it’s going to piss off a lot of people who do and likely to have a political backlash.

Tell ya what, when highschool, college and WNBA et al are completely dominated by transwomen, I’ll revisit the topic. So far, it’s just been a bunch of scaremongering and faux feminism.

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

Playing with toy guns vs playing with dolls.

Who is stopping them from playing with dolls?

[DMK]

@fallenturtle

The problem isn’t girls losing opportunities

Yes, it is.

@fallenturtle

the problem is transphobes refusal to see transwomen as women.

They aren’t.

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

Nope.

Then what’s the grievance?

@fallenturtle

There are commonalities, but also variations.

Like what?

@fallenturtle

There is no single society we can point at. It’s an ever changing amalgamation that predates history. Here in the US its highly influenced by western society.

Yet we expect all societies to…

@fallenturtle

Societal expectations and how we treat and segregate along gender lines. Is the man the breadwinner? Is the woman expected to stay home and care for the children? Can a woman ask a man out on a date?

No
No
Yes, and I like it.

@fallenturtle

Sure. Is it the aspect that they weren’t evenly matched physically what upsets you here or that who you consider a man hit a woman?

Yes.

@fallenturtle

It would be society miscategorizing. “You’re a girl! You can’t play baseball!”

Society doesn’t say that.

[fallenturtle]

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Playing with toy guns vs playing with dolls.

Who is stopping them from playing with dolls?

Some bad parents. Society discourages it. Look at the marketing. We’ve been indoctrinated into believing playing with dolls is what girls do, not boys, and so if a boy plays with dolls he might get made fun of by his peers or maybe some homophobic parent stops them because they don’t want a sissy gay son.

[DMK]

@WuWei

Because they aren’t. They are transwomen, at best.

That’s confusing. I wish they would say transmen. That way I’d know they are a male trying to be a female.

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

@Medicswife2002

Nobody can change bone density, lung capacity, height, and other advantages that XY competitors receive at birth.

Male newborns have, on average, different bone density, lung capacity, and height of female newborns?

Yes. And babies aren’t the blank slates psychologically everybody once thought.

[WuWei]

And the military

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Playing with toy guns vs playing with dolls.

Who is stopping them from playing with dolls?

Some bad parents. Society discourages it. Look at the marketing. We’ve been indoctrinated into believing playing with dolls is what girls do, not boys, and so if a boy plays with dolls he might get made fun of by his peers or maybe some homophobic parent stops them because they don’t want a sissy gay son.

Parents? You want to come between a child and parents?

[DMK]

@Oldandtired

Can’t change what nature has made you. Trans women can just pretend.

That about sums it up.

[DMK]

@fallenturtle

Some bad parents. Society discourages it. Look at the marketing. We’ve been indoctrinated into believing playing with dolls is what girls do, not boys, and so if a boy plays with dolls he might get made fun of by his peers or maybe some homophobic parent stops them because they don’t want a sissy gay son.

Bad parents because marketing is driving indoctrination and homophobic parents?

Might want to take a look at marketing if you believe that.

[fallenturtle]

@WuWei

Then what’s the grievance?

Is there a grievance?

@WuWei

Like what?

Many of the freedoms and rights women here enjoy they are denied in other countries.

@WuWei

Society doesn’t say that.

They use to. Society has evolved.

[fallenturtle]

@DMK

@WuWei

Because they aren’t. They are transwomen, at best.

That’s confusing. I wish they would say transmen. That way I’d know they are a male trying to be a female.

The terminology doesn’t cater to the haters. Its not confusing at all… and trans woman is a woman who is trans. Its right in the name.

[fallenturtle]

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Playing with toy guns vs playing with dolls.

Who is stopping them from playing with dolls?

Some bad parents. Society discourages it. Look at the marketing. We’ve been indoctrinated into believing playing with dolls is what girls do, not boys, and so if a boy plays with dolls he might get made fun of by his peers or maybe some homophobic parent stops them because they don’t want a sissy gay son.

Parents? You want to come between a child and parents?

I want society to continue evolving such that parents don’t have these backwards opinions because they weren’t instilled in them.

[WuWei]

@DMK

@WuWei

Because they aren’t. They are transwomen, at best.

That’s confusing. I wish they would say transmen. That way I’d know they are a male trying to be a female.

Trans means crossing. So a trans “woman” is a male crossing into woman territory.