Federal Judge rules ACA unconstitutional

This just in.

Exactly! You mentioned Norway. So what? What about Norway?

:roll_eyes:

JWK

Obamacare by consent of the governed, Article 5, our Constitution`s amendment process. Tyranny by a majority vote in Congress or a Supreme Court’s majority vote

That socialist cesspool Norway has one of highest per capita GDP, single payer, better health outcomes, and a massive pension fund, and is ranked highest quality of life.

But you obviously have zero interest in debating facts or merits.

You can’t walk into an ER in Norway and get care unless you have prior Doctor approval…

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Oh, and Trump took out Obama care.

It is an absurdity to talk about Norway’s political system, having a population of about 5.5 million and mostly homogeneous , as being a shining example of socialism.

:roll_eyes:

JWK

so some socialism actually works.

its like pulling teeth

Allan

many citizens in Norway have private insurance and that is not true for them.

Allan

At the very least, bring it up to a developed country.

Our close friend from Norway is actually staying with us right now for the holidays. Her daughter was in the hospital a couple of days ago in Norway. Went the same day symptoms starting showing for pains in her chest. Got a full battery of tests - blood work, xrays, ct scan, etc.

Please don’t talk out of ignorance.

So now you admit Norway is not a purely socialist and shining example of socialism. Thank you being honest.

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving people than by importing the world’s poverty stricken and criminal populations into their country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

Why are you talking out of ignorance?

Waiting Times . There are significant waiting times for many procedures. Many Norwegians go abroad for medical treatments. The average weight for a hip replacement is more than 4 months. “Approximately 23 percent of all patients referred for hospital admission have to wait longer than three months for admission.” Also, care can be denied if it is not deemed to be cost-effective. LINK

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone, far more than the cost of building a wall! LINK

No one made this argument, it’s a straw man. The argument is that they have a better healthcare model. I personally would go with the Dutch model.

Yay for pointing to a very specific, elective procedure that doesn’t reflect on aggregate healthcare or acute care. But if you want to play that game, I’ll point to the Netherlands, Switzerland or Germany that have similar or better wait times than the US.

So, now you indicate you reject the liberty to succeed or fail at your own hand. Got ya!

JWK

The liberty to succeed or fail at one’s own hand is a socialist’s nightmare and not the American Dream

Yeah, I definitely reject the “liberty” to success or fail at my own hand. That’s why I live in society. Otherwise, if one of my kids came down with a life threatening condition, they’d definitely die. I can’t successfully pay hundreds of thousands for medical care “at my own hand”.

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Seems to me the average person was doing quite well in America with regard to obtaining health insurance before our federal government stuck its nose in it which began under Johnson’s GREAT SOCIETY and free government cheese.

Since the federal government has stuck its nose in healthcare, the cost of healthcare has steadily risen, just as the cost of a college education has drastically risen since the federal government started paying the bills and lobbyist on K Street started rewarding politicians to increase payments made.

JWK

There was a time not too long ago in New York when able-bodied people were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now there is an infestation of ticks and fleas who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex and Lotto tickets.

Oh, that’s an easy one to reject. Wholeheartedly.

Can’t disagree with you on that. Our border is being overrun by thousands upon thousands looking for government cheese rather than ousting their oppressive governments which plunder their own nation’s wealth.

JWK

80% of green energy money taxed away from the wages of hard working American Citizens WENT TO Obama’s corporate donors!

Surely, you never use Medicare. You’d want to be ideologically consistent.