Federal Judge rules ACA unconstitutional


#122

Maybe free market cancer treatment will drop the price to a measly 200K a year.

Yay!


#123

No. Your argument that taxation cannot be levied for violation of a law has no basis. IF Congress can tax AND IF it can pass a law, then those two things intersect to allow for a tax that is levied when the is violated. I don’t even care about the mandate. Your argument is just stupid.


#124

Lawless this, lawless that.


#125

Says the guy who clearly doesn’t know the difference between a fine and a tax.

I await your usual cogent response with baited breath.


#126

This is a very bad ruling for Republicans- especially for those Senate R’s up for re-election in 2020.

Health insurance - especially specific provisions in ACA like pre-existing conditions and keeping your kids on your insurance until age 26 is hugely popular- especially in all those suburban districts that the D’s flipped in November.

That’s why all the R’s made all those promises in their campaigns. But their problem is that no one believes them. Actions (voting for repeal a gazillion times) speak louder than words.


#127

If Republicans pass Medicare For All they will own the government for a generation. Democrats would lose their biggest issue, and Republicans will be seen as the champions of health care reform. There really is no downside.


#128

But they won’t because they are too stupid. Remember - these are the people who want to eliminate Medicare.


#129

And the best part, this won’t be resolved in any definitive way till it’s too late for the GOP in 2020. Even a ruling upholding the ACA likely won’t come till 2020. In the mean time, the insurance markets will have to adjust.

There is no upside for the GOP with this ruling…


#131

Let us not forget the Obamacare opinion by Justice Roberts is very similar to the unauthorized expansion of Congress’ defined and limited powers which took place when the Supreme Court lied that the Social Security Act was constitutional under Congress’ power to spend for the “general welfare”.

So now, thanks to Justice Roberts, not only does our federal government exercise control over the elderly’s retirement savings, but also controls the people’s health care needs . . . neither of which is an assigned power granted to Congress under our written Constitution.

JWK

"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law , 1858.


#132

Literally no basis in reality for this.

Every industrialized country pays less than us by a massive margin. Yet every industrialized nation has better health outcomes than us.

We do not have the best healthcare system in the world. Not even close. If we did, you’d think the other countries would be clamoring for it, yet they aren’t.

You guys aren’t even trying to deal in facts anymore. Just perpetrating outright falsehoods.


#133

And you just made up your own “facts”.

:roll_eyes:

JWK


#134

People in govt don’t care about your health care… They care about donors. Donors want to make money off you.


#135

Dems want to force you to pay giant insurance corporations… That’s corp welfare…


#136

“The penalty was reduced to $0 in 2017. That means the tax interpretation no longer applies.”

That was the logic of the Court, but I think it is a very weak one. The penalty/tax was not actually repealed. It was simply reduced to $0. So the statute was still enacted under the tax power. Otherwise, universal compliance with the mandate (ie. no one pays the penalty) would render the statute unconstitutional because there would no longer be revenue to the government. The (il)logical extension of such an idea would be that if everyone stopped working, then the IRC would become unconstitutional because it no longer was revenue generating. That is not how tax policy has ever worked.


#137

We pay the most money. We have terrible health outcomes. People go bankrupt paying for medical care. Please enlighten me as to how that’s the best.


#138

Take a trip to Cuba and learn what socialize healthcare is about. And, ask the countless Canadians who come to the United States for many of their procedures.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I think what you may be upset over is our system was never intended to hand out free health care dictated by government. Isn’t that what it’s about with you ____ wanting free cheese?

JWK


#139

Quick question for JWK… Are you currently enrolled in Medicare?


#140

None of which address any of my points.

Whenever socialism comes up, you always point to Venezuela, yet ignore Norway. Should we take Somalia as an idealistic “small government” utopia?

I’m talking about facts, so yes, I do know what I’m talking about. You’re just regurgitating RW-talking points.


#141

OK. How about Cuba where socialism is practiced? Is that your shinning example of socialism?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone, far more than the cost of building a wall! LINK


#142

Derp derp. I literally mention Norway, and you ignore it.