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Your supposition that “this is not typical” is your opinion, not evidence.

And it was not 80% in Tulsa- it was 60%.

Tulsa County was one of seven counties in the state that supported the state question. About 60% of the more than 104,590 ballots cast in Tulsa County were for the measure.

And it appears nothing was “typical” of this vote…it appeared quite popular at least judging by getting the signatures needed to get it on the ballot.

In October, proponents of expanding Medicaid turned in 313,000 signatures — well in excess of the 178,000 needed — to land the question on a 2020 ballot.

And considering these stats, not surprising it passed:

Oklahoma currently ranks No. 2 nationally in the percentage of the population without health insurance.

An estimated 14.2% of Oklahomans, or 548,316 individuals, didn’t have health insurance when surveyed for the 2018 U.S. Census Bureau American Community Survey of households.

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Ummm, in where do you get the impression I do? Did I state something in here about mask laws/ordinances? I can’t find it… point it out plz.

Flame, we’re discussing the caveats that Fauci listed as needing to be enforced to have safe in-person voting… his list of caveats are not laws.

Hope this helps.

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Wait…aren’t you advocating voting through all ballots because of CV-19?

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What facts are these?

Show your work.

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No, you just missed the entire point.

ThinkingMan is saying, and continues to say, that mail-in ballots should be disallowed because it can’t be 100% guaranteed to be free of fraud. So all I did Conan was provide a single instance of in-person fraud because that is all that’s required to prevent reaching the 100% threshold.

Now, since I’ve demonstrated that, it begs the question… if that same threshold can’t be met with in-person voting, then shouldn’t it be disallowed as well?

Fact is, the level of fraud with both is statistically insignificant… Im simply drawing this comparison and asking the question to show the absurdity of this.

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It’s on link the WayoutWest posted.

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The ACA?

It’s funny… if you call it “obamacare”, yeah they don’t like it.Call it the ACA or expanded Medicaid, and suddenly they have a greater appreciation.

If it’s not popular, maybe one of the Repubs out there should campaign on pulling back on it?

:man_shrugging:

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Yes I understand…but the source you posted clearly show in person voting fraud was 13 cases in 16 years while just with absentee ballots there was 210 case in 32 years.

So which have higher rate of abuse? Now remind you this is just with absentee ballots. Not general state ballots only. My guess abuse is helluva lot higher wouldn’t you agree?

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Yes, it is less. Literally no one has denied it.

What you and others seem to ignore is the extent with which either occur.

Convince me why in the midst of a global pandemic it is good sense to potentially disenfranchise huge swaths of voters based on something that occurs with less frequency of your chance of getting hit by lightening?

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In her defense, I bet it “felt” right when she said it :man_shrugging:

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Here you are saying that Fauci says it’s ok to vote in person, if masks are used. Then you say you aren’t going to wear a mask.

It’s ridiculous.

Yes, I will be mail in voting because of this kind of behavior, from people who won’t comply with Fauci’s guidelines.

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No, Im not. Im saying mail-in ballots should not be disallowed… especially during this time.

If people want to go in-person, let them… I dont care. I won’t be, but they sure can…

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Election integrity.

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80% of that 60% were mail-in ballots in favor of passing the bill.

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Yes, I know which numbers are bigger than others :wink:

Conan, I’ve already conceded that their is a higher case of fraud with mail-in vs. in-person. That was never an issue with me… I literally provided those numbers as you’ve pointed out.

There are two things I hope you take away from this.

First, those numbers show that there is at least some level of fraud with both mail-in and in-person voting. So, using ThinkingMan’s logic, shouldn’t both be disallowed? If not, then why make one avenue permissible but not the other?

Secondly, take those numbers you’ve pulled above… now let those become the numerator and the number of votes cast be the denominator. What percentage do you get? Is it statistically significant?

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If they are in high risk group they should apply for absentee.

Hey look…my state has all mail in ballots. And I don’t trust it. I basically hand deliver my ballots…notice I said ballots to see if I can get rise out of anyone to drop box.

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The OPTION for mail-in.

You don’t like choices? Rather authoritative.

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That’s not showing anything.

How would the election be compromised based on a statistically insignificant amount of fraud that occurs with mail-in ballots? And since I’ve shown it’s still insignificant with in-person, yet it still occurs, why wouldn’t that compromise the integrity of the election?

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So it does look like cons have access to mail-in voting too. Here I thought all the complaining about it was due to not having equal access to mail-in.

Thanks for clearing that up

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There will always be attempted fraud. Specially at a time when things get heated…like right now. So it’s even more important to have integrity built into the system. Right now I don’t feel we have it.