Oryx
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From the article:
Dogs are used to test the safety of drugs, pesticides, medical devices and other products. Testing aims to determine how a substance, ingredient or device will affect human health. Dogs used for testing are fed quantities of the test substance—such as a weed killer or a new medicine under development—on a daily basis for months and observed for harmful effects. Dogs can receive these substances in their food, via pills or, in some cases, through force-feeding. They are sometimes injected with substances or forced to inhale them. The dogs are eventually killed so that their tissues and organs can be examined. In testing medical devices or other products, dogs are implanted with items such as pacemakers and typically killed after the test period is over.
Dogs are also used in many types of experiments, including cardiac, neurological, respiratory and dental. Dogs may be specially bred to have a fatal disease, such as muscular dystrophy. In other cases, healthy dogs will be operated on to give them symptoms of serious conditions like heart disease or to remove or damage some of their organs and then further experimented upon. They are also typically killed after the research is over.
Haven’t heard much from the right wing on animal rights until this.
Allan
It’s already been posted.
43,000 dogs used in experiments.
Why only the outrage about NIH experiments?
FDS anyone?
Allan
It’s a Fauci story, animal rights are just the way to try to get at him this time, it’s disposable, a better story than a weak opening pitch at a yankees game.
The last stories I recall reading here about animals were about Mitt Romney putting a dog on a roof of a car and Joe Biden’s dog nipping/biting and then someone in the press asking if they were going to euthanize it. And now it’s animal cruelty from testing done by a group that was funded by the NIH, possibly for something else and not an installment of the Saw series.
More edits: I thought I was in the beagle thread.
maybe that’s because a man who has been turning the country upside-down at total whim and ruining livelihoods in the name of precious “science” may be tied to such things
wattaya think huh?
amadeus
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When you cannot handle life or your own emotions, blame Fauci. The “Fauci” made me do it.
i find it hard to believe this is going on in the US. we do have laws. still. if it is, i would oppose using dogs for this type research which still pales in comparison to being eaten alive by flies
Better get a message to your congressperson then and watch the. Yawn.
Another animal rights kook.
Allan
Oryx
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Actually we have one law that has no teeth:
“The Animal Welfare Act, signed into law in 1966 and updated by several amendments, is the only federal law that regulates the treatment of animals in research, exhibition, and transport, and by dealers.”
“The Act aims to assure the oversight of animal research primarily by mandating the establishment, at each research institution, of an institutional animal care and use committee, or IACUC – a self-regulating entity that must review all proposed animal research protocols and ensure that the researchers make efforts to treat the animals humanely by employing the 3Rs.”
You think feeding dogs experimental weed killer everyday for months, breeding them intentionally to have fatal diseases, operating on them to introduce heart disease and other organ damage, and then killing them to study the results “pales in comparison” to being bitten by flies? Okay.
Oryx
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Where do you get “eaten alive”? The article posted in the beagle thread just says they were killed, it doesn’t say how. But no matter how they died, I’m not defending those experiments. They’re horrible and should be banned. I just don’t see how what we do to dogs right here in America “pales in comparison” to the sand fly experiments. It seems clear to me that this is selective outrage because Fauci is involved.
what “seems” to you is whatever exonerates the beloved fauci.
I do not support any experimentation on dogs that involves more than mild discomfort and definitely not something they’d have to be killed for when its over. fauci, or no fauci. this knee jerk reaction to excuse fauci because other things are happening elsewhere is of particular disgust.
https://todayuknews.com/travel/fauci-under-fire-after-dogs-were-locked-in-cages-to-be-eaten-alive/
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Oryx
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I’m not defending or excusing Fauci in any way. Like I said, these experiments are horrible, and like you, I think they should be banned. I support Congress questioning Fauci about it, holding him accountable for any illegal funding, and making it clear to him and everyone else in government that it can’t happen. I also support strengthening US law to prevent these kinds of cruel experiments on dogs. Unlike you, I’ve known for years that this has been going on in America, I didn’t just become aware of it when a political opponent became involved.
Lol you don’t care this much about actual humans on foreign countries but you expect me to believe you care this much about dogs in foreign countries.
fauci is not a political opponent, he’s not a politician. he’s a civil servant who needs replacing.
if you think virtue signalling about your knowing about it before it came to my attention impresses… it don’t
dogs are innocent.
it ain’t even about the dogs in foreign countries, which is not my responsibility, its about my money funding it, which is my responsibility
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Oryx
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He’s been a political target of Republicans for months now, and rightly so.
Not virtue signalling, just pointing out that my interest in this story goes beyond politics. I don’t think dogs should be tortured for science, no matter who’s doing it.
nope, virtue signalling. you imply a “purer” interest while claiming others interest is only politics.
we live in the united states, i assume we have laws, both federal and state to prevent this sort of thing. if the laws are not stringent enough, lets strengthen them. my interest was piqued because of the cruelty, not because of fauci. before this i would have assumed our laws were adequate.
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Oryx
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I did imply that your interest is political, but I accept your claim that it isn’t and that you’re more interested in preventing cruelty. I agree with that, and I think we should look at strengthening our laws and also the rules for funding experiments in other countries.
