Father suing abortion clinic for performing an legal abortion on his girlfriend

[JayJay]

@Guvnah

@JayJay

Ah I see your misunderstanding. You’ve made the same mistake before

I have made no attempts, in this thread or any other, to justify abortion.

Right. And you’re not a leftist.

Just everything you are saying here is leftist and agrees with the pro-abortion arguments.

You can pretend you’re playing that game, but your posts betray you.

Thete is absokutely nothing in my posts that signify agreement with leftist or pro-abortion arguments.

None.

I’d ask you to point them out but your response would be “You know where they are”.

Your schtick is you want people to argue within narrow parameters you want to define.

I don’t roll that way.

[Guvnah]

@JayJay

Thete is absokutely nothing in my posts that signify agreement with leftist or pro-abortion arguments.

The entirety of your position here has been pro-abortion talking points. (Now tell me you’re just playing devil’s advocate.) And you have repeatedly attacked the pro-life position with the pro-abort lie that pro-lifers care nothing for post-birth babies.

Your posts betray you.

[dantes]

So apron tugging it is.

[JayJay]

@Guvnah

@JayJay

Thete is absokutely nothing in my posts that signify agreement with leftist or pro-abortion arguments.

The entirety of your position here has been pro-abortion talking points. (Now tell me you’re just playing devil’s advocate.) And you have repeatedly attacked the pro-life position with the pro-abort lie that pro-lifers care nothing for post-birth babies.

Your posts betray you.

I’m not attacking the pro-life position by pointing out that many of them care nothing for the baby once it is out of the womb, nor am I saying all pro-lifers are like that.

I’m pointing out the inconsistency of those that are.

And it is an inconsistent position to hold

That is a factial assertion.

[mobulis]

@Guvnah

@JayJay

This is not addressing my argument…this is narrowly defining the parameters of “value” (can we kill someone or not) in order to avoid the implications of valuing some lives over others.

Yet that’s all I’m focused on. Abortion is about whether or not we can kill our offspring. Without life, no other rights and privileges matter.

@JayJay

Same as how many pro-lifers will fight like hell to make sure a baby is brought to term, but don’t give a damn about the quality of life of said baby once it’s on this side of the womb.

Leftists keep repeating this falsehood.

Its not a falsehood.

[Guvnah]

@JayJay

I’m not attacking the pro-life position by pointing out that many of them care nothing for the baby once it is out of the womb, nor am I saying all pro-lifers are like that.

Every one of your statements to that effect were simply blanket statements. Broadbrush. And even now you have qualified that to “many”, which still leaves plenty of width to that brush (yet gives you the wiggle room to claim you don’t really mean to broadbrush.) And it’s a typical pro-abort charge, as are all the arguments you’ve made here.

Further, it’s a pro-abort falsehood to say that anyone cares NOTHING for the baby once born. Even more so a pro-lifer (regardless of his consistency.)

Your posts betray you.

@JayJay

And it is an inconsistent position to hold

Absolutely it is.

Nonetheless, it does not change the fact that when it comes to abortion, the only question with respect to the life that hangs in the balance is whether or not someone will kill it. Whether or not someone is inconsistent in his application of true pro-life principles on any other front, he’s right to argue that the life being considered for abortion deserves to have its right to life protected.

Trying to cloud that question with whatabout in some other area is just a deflection from the question at hand.

And that’s a typical pro-abort tactic.

[JayJay]

@Guvnah

@JayJay

I’m not attacking the pro-life position by pointing out that many of them care nothing for the baby once it is out of the womb, nor am I saying all pro-lifers are like that.

Every one of your statements to that effect were simply blanket statements. Broadbrush. And even now you have qualified that to “many”, which still leaves plenty of width to that brush (yet gives you the wiggle room to claim you don’t really mean to broadbrush.) And it’s a typical pro-abort charge, as are all the arguments you’ve made here.

Further, it’s a pro-abort falsehood to say that anyone cares NOTHING for the baby once born. Even more so a pro-lifer (regardless of his consistency.)

Your posts betray you.

@JayJay

And it is an inconsistent position to hold

Absolutely it is.

Nonetheless, it does not change the fact that when it comes to abortion, the only question with respect to the life that hangs in the balance is whether or not someone will kill it. Whether or not someone is inconsistent in his application of true pro-life principles on any other front, he’s right to argue that the life being considered for abortion deserves to have its right to life protected.

Trying to cloud that question with whatabout in some other area is just a deflection from the question at hand.

And that’s a typical pro-abort tactic.

I’m not clouding any questions.

Understanding that how people arrive at their value judgements is arbitrary and contexual, especially when valuing human life, is a very critical understanding to reach.

It’s why I don’t accept your absolutely pronouncements on abortion because I know…from knowledge and experience…that your declared absolute valuation of life is not, in fact, absolute in practice. No person’s is.

You don’t want to believe that EVERY person’s valuation of human life is a calculus that changes when the variables change. You don’t want to believe that so you can pass judgement on people for not reaching the same calculation you have made.

The difference between you and me is…I’m comfortable understanding morality is a contextual calculus and have no fear I’ll slip off down some slippery slope of depravity because of it.

[Guvnah]

@JayJay

Understanding that how people arrive at their value judgements is arbitrary and contexual

That’s just another example of our sociery’s warped moral conscience.

It’s also the same way Nazis could fix the Jewish Problem by killing them, or slavers could enslaves blacks, or Turks could exterminate Armenians, etc. There’s always some “context” that justifies it.

@JayJay

I’m not clouding any questions.

Of course you are. That’s the only way to find some type of “context” that justifies killing one’s own child.

@JayJay

You don’t want to believe that EVERY person’s valuation of human life is a calculus that changes when the variables change.

Actually, I agree that plenty of people have such calculus. That’s how we can wipe out 25% of pregnancies each hear on the whim of individual “calculus”. We had the same sort of calculus 200 years ago. We look back at it with horror, but in those days people relied on your sort of relativism to justify it. It took law to force those with warped calculus to stop the horrors of slavery as it was being used then.

And I hope you are as glad as I am today that people fought against the calculus of that day.

@JayJay

The difference between you and me is…I’m comfortable understanding morality is a contextual calculus

Of course that’s a clear difference.

@JayJay

and have no fear I’ll slip off down some slippery slope of depravity because of it.

By virtue of what you are supporting, you are there already.

[Samson_Corwell]

@Guvnah

Just everything you are saying here is leftist and agrees with the pro-abortion arguments.

Nothing he said was leftist nor did he argue any position on the question of abortion.

[mobulis]

@Guvnah

@JayJay

Understanding that how people arrive at their value judgements is arbitrary and contexual

That’s just another example of our sociery’s warped moral conscience.

It’s also the same way Nazis could fix the Jewish Problem by killing them, or slavers could enslaves blacks, or Turks could exterminate Armenians, etc. There’s always some “context” that justifies it.

@JayJay

I’m not clouding any questions.

Of course you are. That’s the only way to find some type of “context” that justifies killing one’s own child.

@JayJay

You don’t want to believe that EVERY person’s valuation of human life is a calculus that changes when the variables change.

Actually, I agree that plenty of people have such calculus. That’s how we can wipe out 25% of pregnancies each hear on the whim of individual “calculus”. We had the same sort of calculus 200 years ago. We look back at it with horror, but in those days people relied on your sort of relativism to justify it. It took law to force those with warped calculus to stop the horrors of slavery as it was being used then.

And I hope you are as glad as I am today that people fought against the calculus of that day.

@JayJay

The difference between you and me is…I’m comfortable understanding morality is a contextual calculus

Of course that’s a clear difference.

@JayJay

and have no fear I’ll slip off down some slippery slope of depravity because of it.

By virtue of what you are supporting, you are there already.

Tug that apron.

[MarkyS]

I’m not telling anyone what to do.

I simply said that it works, because someone else said that it doesn’t

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