Faith is a virtue of the Intellect

[Meriweather]

@sikofit

The Koran should be studied in school?

Sure. The Koran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, the Bible, the Book of Morman…as an elective.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Meriweather

That is true faith in a nutshell.

According to you and your faith

[Meriweather]

@Borgia_dude

Faith is the excuse people use when they don’t have evidence.

No, that is belief; sometimes opinion. Faith is addresses what is substantial, i.e., that love is the best, the most fulfilling way to live our lives.

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@Meriweather

When many of us consider faith, the creation story and Noah’s flood, have no place in the discussion. We start with the belief our Creator is pure love. True creators create out of love, give out of love. Throughout time, God has been insistent that love works. His two great commandments are to love Him and to love one another.

Our faith is that God is a being of love who created us to become beings of love–and even more–we have faith that love works.

That is true faith in a nutshell.

One doesn’t need religious faith to make love the primary function of their life. Focusing on love doesn’t make one a “Christian”. Believing that Jesus was the son of God and rose from the dead does.

With respect to teaching love in our schools we certainly need more of that. But doing so through ancient mythology wont work.

[JayJay]

@Meriweather

@JayJay

Could you explain a little more what you mean by this…maybe with an example of your own to start?

A poster of yesteryear comes to mind: We can fly…but that cocoon has to go.

Nothing takes wing quite like love.

I’m not really sure this explains anything.

Can you elaborate, please?

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@Meriweather

No, that is belief; sometimes opinion. Faith is addresses what is substantial, i.e., that love is the best, the most fulfilling way to live our lives.

You’re conflating personal virtues with “faith”

[Meriweather]

@LeroyBrown

Looking at Romans and I Corinthians I would say our allotment of faith is not of the intellect, but is given to us by God. Because of this we are encouraged to walk together as those with greater faith can support those with lessor.

I agree absolutely that faith is a gift. I also hold the belief that intellect can be guided by faith; and that the intellect can guide faith. They work well together.

[Meriweather]

@JayJay

I’m not really sure this explains anything.

Can you elaborate, please?

I will need something specific to address.

[JayJay]

@Meriweather

@JayJay

I’m not really sure this explains anything.

Can you elaborate, please?

I will need something specific to address.

I gave you something specific to address.

Please elaborate on what you meant by your opening post.

if you are claiming something (faith is a gift of intellect) surely you can provide a concrete example of what you are claiming.

In what way is faith a gift of intellect? Explain in detail why this is so.

Thanks in advance.

[Meriweather]

@JayJay

I gave you something specific to address.

Please elaborate on what you meant by your opening post.

if you are claiming something (faith is a gift of intellect) surely you can provide a concrete example of what you are claiming.

In what way is faith a gift of intellect? Explain in detail why this is so.

Thanks in advance.

See Post #18. Where should I go from there?

[JayJay]

@Meriweather

@Forcefield

Faith is the denial of intellect. Which is not to say faith is “stupid” but it is not based in logical thought or anything real or provable. We all have faith in things based on nothing objectively provable. God, love, relationships…etc.

Faith very much involves the intellect. We have faith based on reason. Perhaps some have developed the impression that faith means believing there was a global flood, and that all of creation took place within a literal 144 hours.

When many of us consider faith, the creation story and Noah’s flood, have no place in the discussion. We start with the belief our Creator is pure love. True creators create out of love, give out of love. Throughout time, God has been insistent that love works. His two great commandments are to love Him and to love one another.

Our faith is that God is a being of love who created us to become beings of love–and even more–we have faith that love works.

That is true faith in a nutshell.

In what way is this an intellectual exercise?

[Meriweather]

@JayJay

In what way is this an intellectual exercise?

Intellect is the power of the mind which can direct or guide loving acts.

[JayJay]

@Meriweather

@JayJay

In what way is this an intellectual exercise?

Intellect is the power of the mind which can direct or guide loving acts.

So now you’re talking about love, not faith.

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@Meriweather

Intellect is the power of the mind which can direct or guide loving acts.

Faith isn’t “love”. One can have “faith” in love but they are not the same thing. One can love without faith. For example, I love my family. It’s not a choice I make. It’s not faith. I choose love over hate as much as I can. Faith has nothing to do with it.

[Forcefield]

@Meriweather

Faith very much involves the intellect. We have faith based on reason. Perhaps some have developed the impression that faith means believing there was a global flood, and that all of creation took place within a literal 144 hours.

When many of us consider faith, the creation story and Noah’s flood, have no place in the discussion. We start with the belief our Creator is pure love. True creators create out of love, give out of love. Throughout time, God has been insistent that love works. His two great commandments are to love Him and to love one another.

Our faith is that God is a being of love who created us to become beings of love–and even more–we have faith that love works.

That is true faith in a nutshell.

All you did here was say a bunch of nice things about love. It’s inherently and by definition not related to intellect. But semantics are boring, so call it what you will.

Btw I’m an atheist and I am the biggest love goofus you could ever meet.

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Even people with low intellect / handicapped are capable of love (gasp) sometimes even more so than the super smart Mr Burns types…

Think pinky and the brain

Love shouldnt be an intellectual exercise. It should be inherently FELT.

[Meriweather]

@JayJay

So now you’re talking about love, not faith.

I have been talking about having faith that love of God and love of one’s fellow man is the best way of living this life.

[Meriweather]

@Forcefield

Btw I’m an atheist and I am the biggest love goofus you could ever meet.

Nah, the atheist I married is the biggest love goofus I could ever meet. (Psst! Dear, is that you?!?)

My point is that faith is not holding an opinion on the great flood or creation in a six day period. Faith begins (and for that matter, ends,) with love. Jesus did not command that we believe in a global flood or a literal six day period. He did not give up his life for that. His command was that we love and obey God, and to love one another. That is our faith.

[Borgia_dude]

@Meriweather

@Borgia_dude

Faith is the excuse people use when they don’t have evidence.

No, that is belief; sometimes opinion. Faith is addresses what is substantial, i.e., that love is the best, the most fulfilling way to live our lives.

Shouldn’t each person decide what fulfills them?

[Borgia_dude]

@Meriweather

@Borgia_dude

Faith is the excuse people use when they don’t have evidence.

No, that is belief; sometimes opinion. Faith is addresses what is substantial, i.e., that love is the best, the most fulfilling way to live our lives.

When someone has no evidence of their belief, they resort to faith.