WuWei
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Well boys, looks like there is no policy.
Maybe it’s the Hillary gambit. Tell people what they want to hear until elected, and if you can’t do that, then deflect or say nothing.
Here is an opportunity for Democrat leaning members to articulate what they like about what Democrats are advocating should be the US policy on policing the borders. I’m not interested in hearing what policies you are against, but only what you are for, and to discuss the ramifications of those policies, if they were implemented.
So, what are you for, Democrats?
conan
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Welcome all in regardless of their circumstances, their past and give em ID, food stamps, welfare, housing, healthcare and of course voters ID etc.
A complete open border and instant citizenship and nothing less.
Now the forum libs will say that’s not true and deny it all…hell they may even call me names. But just like when they deny they were progressive, then socialist…they will do the same here too.
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If you look at their policy its path way to citizenship, deportation of criminals, and more money for detention centers.
Get out of here with your “facts”
First, treat people who are detained like humans. Something cons are obviously against.
Second, make the process of becoming a citizen less onerous. If people want to come here and become productive citizens don’t put so many obstacles in their way.
Create an overall immigration policy that encourages people to come here legally and openly.
Employ efficient and affordable technological solutions to monitor the border.
Quit hiring racists to the border patrol.
Punish employers who want to encourage and take advantage of the illegal labor force.
Remove the incentive to come here illegally and create a welcoming reason to come here legally.
This thread is a lot of Republican telling liberal what type of politics they support.
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OK. So what is the pathway to citizenship they are proposing?
Which criminals are they wanting to deport. Those who cross the border? Or those who commit a crime and get caught after crossing the border?
What is the limit the Dems have in mind in terms of immigration numbers? Better conditions in detention centres will incentivise more to come illegally, which will then require more money for more detention centres. What is the Dem policy on which illegal refugees caught and put into detention centres should be released?
What good is monitoring the border if you can’t stop the people you are watching attempting to cross it? Maybe you mean drones with nets that can capture illegal border crossers and release them back at the southern tip of Argentina. Or something like the drones in Allegiant that explode the border transgressors with red ray guns.
Probably more like something the military has employees for years. The idea of Command and Control which allows for efficient surveillance and the rapid deployment of assets (i.e. BP teams proportional to an incursion) to locations where they are needed.
In open desert environments surveillance system would allow detection LONG before they reached the border. Video and infrared detection systems with computer algorithms that detect human sized and shaped entities at ground level can detect attempted incursions before the border is reached. Medium altitude long duration drones provide even more data as they have extended range beyond surface Earth Curvature.
The technology today is much beyond what I operated as an airborne RADAR operator, Electronica Warfare Operator, and employed the use of FLIR for search/surveillance.
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We are hoping for more than virtue-signalling platitudes. We are hoping to see meat and bones policy stating what Dems are actually going to do if they regain power.
How will Dems treat detained people like humans? What does that mean? How much food, water, coke, liquor, cellphones, laptops, counselling, legal council, space, movies? What is a reasonable basic humanitarian provision and what would that cost per illegal immigrant? At what number of illegals will the provision of that smorgasbord of gifts become beyond the US citizens to pay for, and the detention centres therefore become inhumane.
What exactly is this less onerous process. Spell it out. What present hurdles would you remove.
What policy changes do you think would make people choose to come here legally. There are a lot of people in the world who want a better life. What makes you think that making it easier to come legally would reduce the number of people coming illegally? That’s not a given. If you build more highways to reduce blockages and getting around gets easier, more people then buy cars because there’s less congestion, which them congests the new motorways. Moving a lot of illegals to faster moving ports of entry will just make the border holes they would have used available for other illegals who don’t want to wait at the border now congested with a greater but faster moving flow of legals.
WuWei
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All true. However they are not hiding, they are turning themselves in and claiming asylum.
WuWei
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I love this “pathway to citizenship” thing. There is a pathway to citizenship and has been for years.
You don’t have to go to open desert to claim asylum, legally they can do that at border crossings.
Hell the poor don’t even need to do that. They just can fly here and enter via airports.
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That doesn’t answer the question, though. So, you can see them coming from further away. So what? What would you do then? Are you going to ask Mexico to arrest them? What if they refuse to? Are you going to send a team into Mexico to threaten them and turn them around? Are you going to meet them midstream and push them back to Mexico? What if they just keep on trying to cross? How does more modern surveillance/monitoring of the border deal with the problem of illegals crossing the border?
