Evidence continues to come in that kids spread COVID

[Ben_Natuf]

statistically, zero children have been shown to spread covid to adults. the only dubious conclusion is that zero is a meaningful number showing spread.

[sikofit]

@Ben_Natuf

statistically, zero children have been shown to spread covid to adults. the only dubious conclusion is that zero is a meaningful number showing spread.

The Kaiser Family Foundation’s findings along with the newer studies coming out differ from your unsupported opinion

What Do We Know About Children and Coronavirus Transmission?

Latest Research Points to Children Carrying, Transmitting Coronavirus

[FreeAndClear]

180,000 new cases in kids in the past 30 days. Deaths are thankfully not spiking but hospitalizations are. A hybrid system for schools really is the only way imo

[Ben_Natuf]

you really should read your links before you post them.

multiple studies indicate that children have viral loads and shed virus in similar amounts to adults, which might indicate risk of transmission is similar across age groups. Without a doubt transmission from child-to-child and child-to-adult can occur, but a number of studies find children, particularly young children, are less likely to be source of infection in households and other settings, compared to adults. A number of these studies conclude that a majority of documented transmissions between children and adults have occurred from adults to children, rather than the other way around, but more detailed information is needed to fully understand this dynamic. There is new evidence, including from a recent comprehensive study from South Korea, suggesting there is an age gradient in terms of transmission risk from children, meaning younger children (<10 years old) are less likely to transmit compared to adults, while older children (10 and older) may transmit at levels similar to adults.

there is nothing new here. its the same assumption about viral loads and the same non reviewed SK study that says it doesn’t know which way transmission went. There is nothing here that’s not already known. This study claims the SK study showed transmission, not even the SK study claimed that. It claims that because of viral load its possible (they actually go beyond possible, with no support for the claim other than their assumption). The claims in this story are unsupported by evidence

[Ben_Natuf]

@FreeAndClear

180,000 new cases in kids in the past 30 days. Deaths are thankfully not spiking but hospitalizations are. A hybrid system for schools really is the only way imo

no issues with that, we should be safe because of all we don’t know. what we should not do is make decisions based on unsupported fears

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

statistically, zero children have been shown to spread covid to adults. the only dubious conclusion is that zero is a meaningful number showing spread.

No, statistically when we see clusters of illness popping up in child-dominated sub-populations, and popping up more and more as kids start heading back into their groups that we shut down with school shutdowns, the odds it’s always the adults doing the spread are slim…no matter whether you have seen a definitive contract trace of a kid to an adult or not.

And more news pours in.

Florida’s cases in children up 137% (90% increase in children nationwide).
Hopsitalizations among children in that state have increased 105%.

I don’t know how much more evidence has to come in to break this arrogance some people have that children are invulnerable.

[Ben_Natuf]

@JayJay

@Ben_Natuf

statistically, zero children have been shown to spread covid to adults. the only dubious conclusion is that zero is a meaningful number showing spread.

No, statistically when we see clusters of illness popping up in child-dominated sub-populations, and popping up more and more as kids start heading back into their groups that we shut down with school shutdowns, the odds it’s always the adults doing the spread are slim…no matter whether you have seen a definitive contract trace of a kid to an adult or not.

science first. I’m not saying the assumption doesn’t make sense, just that scientifically, its meaningless. correlation does not equal causation. it may suggest it, thats what research is for. to date. exactly zero cases of a child spreading the disease to an adult. thats a statistic with scientific meaning. can they? maybe. seems likely. have we seen it? no.

[JayJay]

@FreeAndClear

180,000 new cases in kids in the past 30 days. Deaths are thankfully not spiking but hospitalizations are. A hybrid system for schools really is the only way imo

The issue is many schools are not really set up to deliver the hybrid model.

More and more are finding out they can’t do it and maintain good safety practices.

[Ben_Natuf]

@JayJay

@Ben_Natuf

statistically, zero children have been shown to spread covid to adults. the only dubious conclusion is that zero is a meaningful number showing spread.

No, statistically when we see clusters of illness popping up in child-dominated sub-populations, and popping up more and more as kids start heading back into their groups that we shut down with school shutdowns, the odds it’s always the adults doing the spread are slim…no matter whether you have seen a definitive contract trace of a kid to an adult or not.

And more news pours in.

Florida’s cases in children up 137% (90% increase in children nationwide).
Hopsitalizations among children in that state have increased 105%.

I don’t know how much more evidence has to come in to break this arrogance some people have that children are invulnerable.

who said their invulnerable? not me. to date, out of 300,000 kids who’ve contracted covid. 15 deaths. out of 160,000. 15. thats a statistic with meaning to

[sikofit]

Its a good thing Covid doesn’t cause residual damage. Oh wait.

[Ben_Natuf]

@sikofit

Its a good thing Covid doesn’t cause residual damage. Oh wait.

and you have zero evidence this is true in kids.

[sikofit]

@Ben_Natuf

@sikofit

Its a good thing Covid doesn’t cause residual damage. Oh wait.

and you have zero evidence this is true in kids.

Researchers report nearly 300 cases of inflammatory syndrome tied to Covid-19...

COVID-19 may have lasting effects on some children's brains

[Ben_Natuf]

I assumed we were talking about norms, not outliers.

MIS-C existed before covid was ever seen. What caused it then? Yes, it is sad kids get it, yes, contacting covid seems to make the tiny fraction of kids who have more severe covid symptoms more marginally more susceptible, so a fraction of a fraction of the already low percentage of kids may have this complication. Not sure it amounts to many more than would have gotten it anyway though

[sikofit]

We have no idea yet exactly how prevalent the side effects are and are starting to see lung damage even in asymptomatic carriers. The point being that with so much still unknown it’s really not that wise to be gambling with our children’s futures until we get some better answers.