Even Joes tokens are abandoning ship…

Optrader · 2022-06-03T02:00:16.515Z

fallenturtle:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Yes, inflation and gas prices are global issues but does anyone really not think that US government shutting down pipelines, halting drilling and printing trillions of dollars in new spending did not contribute to both of these ?

No, I don’t think shutting down pipelines and halting drilling had much of any effect on current oil prices. The problem was that a lot of refineries lowered output and/or shutdown which lowered our output and gas producers are nervous about opening them all up again considering the investment and the time it takes to get them back up and running.

Making the printer go burrr did most likely effect inflation… but from my understanding not as much as the supply issues.

Are you guys totally incapable of looking ahead so much as two seconds and seeing the consequences of your actions?

Here’s your statement: “ No, I don’t think shutting down pipelines and halting drilling has much of any effect on current oil prices.” Do you not understand that getting oil out of the ground and to a refinery and to gas stations is a very expensive process that takes a lot of time and money to accomplish? Oil companies spend billions of dollars to first find the oil, then drill, then transport, it may take years to produce oil profitably in a given area. But it only takes a few seconds with a pen for a president to stop them dead in their tracks causing a multi billion dollar loss and loss of the time it took.

Biden campaigned on eliminating fossil fuels. He was going to continue the war Obama started against the fossil fuel companies and do everything he could to shut them down and make the production of fossil fuels prohibitively expensive. You Libs continually claim that shutting down keystone did nothing to reduce current supply or raise current prices. What it was was the opening salvo of Biden’s war against fossil fuel companies. On day one in office, It showed them exactly what Biden’s intentions were. Their every intention and plan to produce and transport FUTURE oil was immediately put in doubt. Why the hell would they continue future plans to find and drill knowing the ass bag in the White House could shut them down in a second?

Cautious?? Reluctant to produce at past levels?
Seriously? NONE OF THIS OCCURS TO YOU AS A HUGE REASON WHY CURRENT PRICES ARE HIGH? You can’t connect the dots here?

I can’t ask often enough: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??

Optrader · 2022-06-03T02:20:27.617Z

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thinkingman:

trump wouldnt start a war. he would have prevented their invasion

as would any leader

blather on

It Trump wouldn’t start a war, then why would Putin fear retaliation from him.
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Not starting a war is not the same thing as not immediately launching a massive retaliation against someone who started a war against us. HELLO!!! I’m guessing they no longer teach about “mutually assured destruction” in todays Lib indoctrination centers that you obviously excelled in.

You see: Putin understood that Trump ( Like Reagan) would turn Moscow into a ■■■■■■■ parking lot without hesitation if he attacked America, whereas he knows the feckless, senile sock puppet Biden would watch thousands or millions of Americans die then lift a finger to stop him. The last Democrat that loved America and my had any balls and actually did defend Americans against communists was JFK. He said “ Ask not what you’re country can do to you but what you can do for your country.” Today, the Lib mantra is ■■■■ AMERICA! GIMME BECAUSE I’M ENTITLED!

W_and_C · 2022-06-03T02:23:52.919Z

thinkingman:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

You implied that it’s insane to be politically independent (apologies if I misunderstood)

I am implying it’s more insane to be the opposite.

no apology necessary

but you did misunderstand. my point was that democrats are now pretending to be politically unaligned vs having a position on the insane left

Yes that could be true for some, but that has nothing to do with me.

fallenturtle · 2022-06-03T02:37:39.445Z

Liberty323:

fallenturtle:

Liberty323:

Perhaps, but did Ben Carson announce “I’m black, I’m a man, and I’m straight” as a list of virtues to brag about? I mean, being a brain surgeon is quite the flex.

Who said that? Google failed me.

It is a flex. But I’m pretty sure its a different set of skills then those required to run HUD.

The new press secretary proudly announced “for the first time ever, a gay, Black woman is the White House press secretary”. None of that was earned, but merely traits she was born with. That’s why I said traits and beliefs are touted rather than accomplishments.
Here are a list of “accomplishments” the left likes to brag about:

Being gay

Being anything other than white

Being trans

Being vegan

Being atheist

Being against fossil fuels

Being against the patriarchy

Being pro mask

Being pro COVID vaxxes
These virtues and accomplishments take zero work; they just have to claim it. Feelings.

The left doesn’t consider those descriptors or positions as accomplishments. The accomplishment isn’t that she’s gay, or black, or woman… its that these are all identities that have a history of second class treatment and so its considered an accomplishment that someone with these identities lives in an age when they can have a high and public position in government.

The vegan and atheist thing is funny considering there are plenty of omnivores and theists on the left.

Are you in favor of the patriarchy?

fallenturtle · 2022-06-03T02:39:51.702Z

Rodeo:

fallenturtle:

You think everyone on the left sounds like an idiot

I have you for proof.

Do you at least have enough self awareness to know that the left thinks the same thing about your tribe and that I have similar feelings towards you? “Your side bad, my side good, blah, blah, blah”.

fallenturtle · 2022-06-03T02:44:48.989Z

thinkingman:

trump wouldnt start a war.

Neither would Biden. That’s why we’re avoiding direct conflict.

he would have prevented their invasion

How? You said he wouldn’t start a war, so how would he stop them?

fallenturtle · 2022-06-03T02:47:09.572Z

Optrader:

She won’t be bad BECAUSE she’s a female pervert, She’ll be bad because just like every other person in the Biden administration, she was chosen based on her perversion rather than her qualifications.

Why does being a lesbian make her a female pervert?

W_and_C · 2022-06-03T03:02:39.471Z

fallenturtle:

Liberty323:

fallenturtle:

Liberty323:

Perhaps, but did Ben Carson announce “I’m black, I’m a man, and I’m straight” as a list of virtues to brag about? I mean, being a brain surgeon is quite the flex.

Who said that? Google failed me.

It is a flex. But I’m pretty sure its a different set of skills then those required to run HUD.

The new press secretary proudly announced “for the first time ever, a gay, Black woman is the White House press secretary”. None of that was earned, but merely traits she was born with. That’s why I said traits and beliefs are touted rather than accomplishments.
Here are a list of “accomplishments” the left likes to brag about:

Being gay

Being anything other than white

Being trans

Being vegan

Being atheist

Being against fossil fuels

Being against the patriarchy

Being pro mask

Being pro COVID vaxxes
These virtues and accomplishments take zero work; they just have to claim it. Feelings.

The left doesn’t consider those descriptors or positions as accomplishments. The accomplishment isn’t that she’s gay, or black, or woman… its that these are all identities that have a history of second class treatment and so its considered an accomplishment that someone with these identities lives in an age when they can have a high and public position in government.

I am fully on board with this position - so long that those characteristics played no part in her being chosen for the job (and thusly, someone more qualified may have been passed over due to having the wrong sexual orientation, gender or color of skin)

Rodeo · 2022-06-03T04:46:54.439Z

fallenturtle:

Do you at least have enough self awareness

You would be doing yourself a favor to not lecture anyone about “self awareness”. I’m quite aware that this forum is loaded with progressive leftists who think they are the smartest guys in the room. And I could care less. You people have been shown to be wrong so often that your ongoing wizard of smart ism is the ultimate in lacking awareness.

You have spent this entire thread yammering on about “global” whatever trying misrepresent (that’s a nice word for lie) my comments. I have addressed inflation, energy, our overwhelmed southern border, crime, the general feelings of insecurity more and more Americans seem to be feeling as their costs of living skyrocket and their neighborhoods become less safe…

The only connection of those elements as that each has gone in the wrong direction under Biden. Anyone by itself would be worthy of ridicule as public policy failure. All of them are collapsing concurrently. The Biden presidency has failed on all of these issues and more to offer solutions that have solved problems.

You have either intentionally misrepresented my comments (you asked something about me trying to blame inflation on immigration I forget your exact words above I never said that) or your simply too dense to understand anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. Either way I find your commentary to be unworthy of my time.

In short…I won’t be responding to you in this or any other thread because why waste my time (if I actually said what I really think about your comments I’d get banned so I will simply say goodbye.)

fallenturtle · 2022-06-03T05:08:32.294Z

Rodeo:

fallenturtle:

Do you at least have enough self awareness

You would be doing yourself a favor to not lecture anyone about “self awareness”. I’m quite aware that this forum is loaded with progressive leftists who think they are the smartest guys in the room. And I could care less. You people have been shown to be wrong so often that your ongoing wizard of smart ism is the ultimate in lacking awareness.

You have spent this entire thread yammering on about “global” whatever trying misrepresent (that’s a nice word for lie) my comments. I have addressed inflation, energy, our overwhelmed southern border, crime, the general feelings of insecurity more and more Americans seem to be feeling as their costs of living skyrocket and their neighborhoods become less safe…

The only connection of those elements as that each has gone in the wrong direction under Biden. Anyone by itself would be worthy of ridicule as public policy failure. All of them are collapsing concurrently. The Biden presidency has failed on all of these issues and more to offer solutions that have solved problems.

You have either intentionally misrepresented my comments (you asked something about me trying to blame inflation on immigration I forget your exact words above I never said that) or your simply too dense to understand anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. Either way I find your commentary to be unworthy of my time.

In short…I won’t be responding to you in this or any other thread because why waste my time (if I actually said what I really think about your comments I’d get banned so I will simply say goodbye.)

I haven’t at all been trying to misrepresent your comments. It’s just that we’d be talking about oil prices and inflation and you’d go off on the southern border.

GWH · 2022-06-03T16:04:14.598Z

Reminds me of a Mulaney bit.

Rodeo · 2022-06-03T16:08:22.692Z

That’s funny

fallenturtle · 2022-06-03T16:10:50.757Z

Rodeo:

That’s funny

I was at McDonalds once and this crazy homeless guy just randomly started cursing at me and then suddenly turned to the cashier and calmly asked for water. It was kinda surreal.

zantax · 2022-06-05T13:56:34.895Z

fallenturtle:

Rodeo:

Auto129:

Gas prices and inflation are problems in the first world right now. Our third world problems are the same old ones we’ve always had–healthcare, police, and civil rights.

Y’all are physically incapable of dropping the narrative aren’t you.

Yes or no…is it the job of the president of the United States to propose workable solutions for the problems plaguing the American people, whether those problems find their origins domestically or overseas?

Biden hasn’t done squat for the American people…he’s caused problems…the southern border does not need to be wide open…the American people are watching gas prices skyrocket despite the fact that we have hundreds of years of oil and natural gas in our country…

Have Biden and the woke left offered any serious solutions (spending 2 trillion dollars that ignited the inflation crisis and robbing the strategic oil reserve in my view did no good and in fact exacerbated the problems…).

The “it’s a global problem” ■■■■ is a stupid diversion from the complete failure if the kook fringe left to do anything right.

Are you proposing the idea that illegal immigration has contributed to gas prices and inflation?

Of course it has, consumer demand is half the inflation equation, more consumers, higher demand.

fallenturtle · 2022-06-05T18:48:30.931Z

zantax:

fallenturtle:

Rodeo:

Auto129:

Gas prices and inflation are problems in the first world right now. Our third world problems are the same old ones we’ve always had–healthcare, police, and civil rights.

Y’all are physically incapable of dropping the narrative aren’t you.

Yes or no…is it the job of the president of the United States to propose workable solutions for the problems plaguing the American people, whether those problems find their origins domestically or overseas?

Biden hasn’t done squat for the American people…he’s caused problems…the southern border does not need to be wide open…the American people are watching gas prices skyrocket despite the fact that we have hundreds of years of oil and natural gas in our country…

Have Biden and the woke left offered any serious solutions (spending 2 trillion dollars that ignited the inflation crisis and robbing the strategic oil reserve in my view did no good and in fact exacerbated the problems…).

The “it’s a global problem” ■■■■ is a stupid diversion from the complete failure if the kook fringe left to do anything right.

Are you proposing the idea that illegal immigration has contributed to gas prices and inflation?

Of course it has, consumer demand is half the inflation equation, more consumers, higher demand.

Not really. The number of illegal immigrants who have made it here and stayed since 2020 is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall population and they aren’t exactly big spenders anyway.

zantax · 2022-06-05T23:08:23.676Z

fallenturtle:

zantax:

fallenturtle:

Rodeo:

Auto129:

Gas prices and inflation are problems in the first world right now. Our third world problems are the same old ones we’ve always had–healthcare, police, and civil rights.

Y’all are physically incapable of dropping the narrative aren’t you.

Yes or no…is it the job of the president of the United States to propose workable solutions for the problems plaguing the American people, whether those problems find their origins domestically or overseas?

Biden hasn’t done squat for the American people…he’s caused problems…the southern border does not need to be wide open…the American people are watching gas prices skyrocket despite the fact that we have hundreds of years of oil and natural gas in our country…

Have Biden and the woke left offered any serious solutions (spending 2 trillion dollars that ignited the inflation crisis and robbing the strategic oil reserve in my view did no good and in fact exacerbated the problems…).

The “it’s a global problem” ■■■■ is a stupid diversion from the complete failure if the kook fringe left to do anything right.

Are you proposing the idea that illegal immigration has contributed to gas prices and inflation?

Of course it has, consumer demand is half the inflation equation, more consumers, higher demand.

Not really. The number of illegal immigrants who have made it here and stayed since 2020 is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall population and they aren’t exactly big spenders anyway.

Now count all illegal immigrants

WuWei · 2022-06-05T23:57:13.001Z

fallenturtle:

and they aren’t exactly big spenders anyway.

They aren’t carrying their weight with sales tax?

Rodeo · 2022-06-06T00:56:29.528Z

zantax:

Now count all illegal immigrants

Mark Levin made a great point on his show tonight.

The southern border…you know that thing running from California to Texas that we were kind of getting control of and building a wall which the border patrol wanted and designed, the wall the blithering moron Biden and his peeps cancelled on the way to throwing the border wide open and turning it over to the criminal cartels…that border.

Not only are too many people coming into America…but the criminals now running the border are sending increased numbers of human trafficking victims, which we can’t stop…the cartels have shipped enough fentanyl across the border to kill us all, which we can’t stop.

If we can’t stop the people, the folks being sold into sex trafficking, and the drugs…

One has to wonder how many illegal guns are crossing the border. This was Levin’s point…while bozo the Biden and company are talking about disarming America…I see no reason to believe the criminals care about those laws or that we have the ability to stop guns from crossing the border.

Biden is a disaster.

EternalVigilance · 2022-06-06T01:59:53.125Z

Rodeo:

One has to wonder how many illegal guns are crossing the border. This was Levin’s point…while bozo the Biden and company are talking about disarming America…I see no reason to believe the criminals care about those laws or that we have the ability to stop guns from crossing the border.

Look at the attacks on law enforcement, the “Defund” movement, their enthusiastic support of leftist rioting, Fast and Furious, and no progressive DA has any interest whatsoever in punishing violent criminals. It’s been obvious for years that the Democratic party is deliberately ratcheting up the violence to push for gun confiscation.

Rodeo · 2022-06-06T02:13:47.966Z

EternalVigilance:

Look at the attacks on law enforcement, the “Defund” movement, their enthusiastic support of leftist rioting, Fast and Furious, and no progressive DA has any interest whatsoever in punishing violent criminals. It’s been obvious for years that the Democratic party is deliberately ratcheting up the violence to push for gun confiscation

I agree.

Obama talked about remaking America…

Biden and the Wack job left are trying to kick that process up another notch. (wasn’t that clown sold as some kind of moderate).

They don’t care how much damage they do in the process of creating their socialist utopia.

The left needs to be decimated in November of 2022 and again in 2024.

Personally I think, hope, and pray that the American people are sick of the kook fringe left.