The more successful and sustainable euro systems have a form or personal and state financed in combination. If the systems that still provide for totally free healthcare and require very little patient pay don’t change the way they do things…they will run out of money eventually. And europeans have a low birthrate overall, and thus they dont replace the retired older citizens with younger healthy ones to pay into the system.
That is not acceptable…i wouldn’t see a pharmacist for a hangnail.
It’s the standard in some parts of the world, and you don’t go for that hangnail, but for issues like “Can you recommend an after care product for a painful, non blistering sunburn?” or a medicine for a child’s cough that’s fairly recent, maybe a few days old. They’re usually happy to make a recommendation for an over the counter product, and I’ve found theirs are pretty accurate.
Also acceptable, IMO, options for more minor problems–primary care physicians and E R’s should NOT be flooded with every patient with relatively minor problems–are various phone a doc services, urgent care centers and practitioners with offices in venues like grocery and drug stores.
www.cvs.com find one with a Minute Clinic. These facilities generally won’t see patients who are going to require a written prescription, but take the load off PCPs & ERs for the minor stuff, preventive exams like school physicals & inocculations.
Every minute clinic I’ve gone to has written prescriptions for my kids or for me. They’re pretty convenient when normal PCP or pediatrician offices are closed.
Life expectancy is not remotely completely correlated with health care. Diet and exercise play a large role, as does how infant mortality is reported.
Margaret Tacher famously said: Eventually you run out of other people’s money…
Are you making the argument that the US healthcare model is much more expensive due to the fact we pay our doctors more? Do you think that’s the main reason for the cost discrepancy?
From Health Care Spending in the United States and Other High-Income Countries
Prices of labor and goods, including pharmaceuticals and devices, and administrative costs appeared to be the main drivers of the differences in spending.<
So partially, also note the studies finding on how fat we are compared to the others. As well as the much higher use of things like MRI’s and computed tomography.
Just saying we spend more isn’t saying a lot.
I am arguing that doctor pay is one of the main reasons. Our doctors (and nurses) are paid far more than their international counterparts.
I’ll go a step further and say that insurance company profits are not.
Partially, yes. But physicians’ salaries don’t make up nearly as much of the costs as people would probably think. It comes out to be about 8.6% of our total healthcare expenditures. We actually spend about the least amount on physicians’ pay as a percentage of total healthcare expenditures as other developed nations. Also, the Netherlands average salary for specialists is higher than in the US. Specialists make up about 2/3 of all physicians in the US. So, the remaining physicians’ salaries make up less than 3% of all healthcare expenditures in the US. Seeing how we spend $10,000 per capita, that comes out to be about $300 per capita at most that we spend on GPs (which we pay more than in the Netherlands). However, the Netherlands spends about $5700 per capita in total on healthcare expenditures. No, the difference in spending between our two nations is most certainly not in any significant way due to physicians’ pay.
Think the following has anything to do with health care expenditures and life expectancy discrepancies between the US and the Netherlands?
from Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC
US adult obesity rate, 36.5%
from http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/243315/Netherlands-WHO-Country-Profile.pdf?ua=1
Netherlands adult obesity rate 18.8%
Is Obesity caused by a more private insurance oriented health care model? Would agree the obese rack up higher health care costs??
Highest estimate I could find is that obesity costs us about $210 billion, or about $650 per capita. We have double the obesity rate, so it costs us about $325 per capita more than the Netherlands. Combined with doctor pay differences (and this is using the full $300 per capita that we pay PCPs), we bring our total per capita spending to $9,375 compared to the Netherland’s $5700. Still a ways to go.
Yes, population control and govt entitlement pyramid schemes don’t work. You would think they would encourage people to have more kids. They should be against abortion too.
Western Europe basically has the lowest abortion rates in the entire world.
Nice, but you missed the main point of my post.
The source of funding (private sector or public sector) doesn’t change the demographics issue of an aging population. We have the same issue with boomers. However, with our mostly for-profit, rent seeking system we are in worse shape, seeing how we pay over $10,000 per capita compared to the other developed countries that pay a fraction of that.
So, we can never have the population level out or grow smaller with massive debt?
Nothing in this proves your statement:
‘‘Actually Canadian males are dying in huge numbers because their top-down command-and-control one-size-fits all medical scheme forgot to provide adequate cancer screenings’’
The Canadian higher rate of cancer deaths could be from lower death rates from other causes. Or the US lower cancer rate could be from higher death rates from other causes.
From the article on Canadians leaving Canada for HC.
‘‘But one professor warns the data is based only on estimates, making it highly questionable.’’
‘’… there is no readily available data on Canadians leaving the country for medical care,…’’
The article also says leave for many reasons:
“It could be to save money for elective treatments, it could be to access experimental treatments.”
These are treatments even most US ins. wont pay for.
All your other links have just as flawed or don’t say what you think they say,
Nice cherry picking though.
Nonetheless it shows
- that Canadians have long waits for medical care,
- that includes waits for cancer detection and treatment.
- Canada cancer rates are higher than in the US.
- Canada cancer survival rates are lower than in the US.
- For the US to catch up with Canada an additional 80,000 Americans would have to die of cancer every year.
80,000 per year! How many American troops died in Iraq? In Vietnam?
80,000 Canadians aren’t dying. You’re making-up ■■■■ and playing with numbers.
You still haven’t answered the question why you like central. top-down planning for the military and the police.
