Equality, Equity and Value Added-"Palestinians"

e7alr · 2023-11-17T21:34:00.357Z

I think you are knee jerking to ethnic cleansing. So when does a society’s governing authority make itself worthy of abolishment by force? And what part does the society governed by that authority play in relation to that condition being determined?

biggestal99 · 2023-11-17T21:38:09.099Z

WuWei:

If Israel removes the people from that 45k x 12k strip and assumes governance over it, should we mourn? Should we be outraged? If so, why?

remove as in kill or remove as in relocate.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2023-11-17T21:40:00.418Z

biggestal99:

remove as in kill or remove as in relocate.

Allan

i would be against genocide as should every thinking human being.

relocation would be problematic.

the major question would be where?

Allan

TheRedComet · 2023-11-17T21:55:58.705Z

They chose Hamas. They chose literal Genocidaires. And Genocidaires are by far the most vile and worthless people on the planet.

The term was coined during the aftermath of the Rwandan Genocide to describe the mass of Hutu power players and the culture at large that saw the extermination of the Tutsis as an admirable goal. “Those who call for and support genocide” is what a Genocidaire is.

The Palestinians willingly chose to support Genocidaires back in 2006.

That says a lot about a culture. And that mindset doesn’t change overnight or even in a decade.

e7alr · 2023-11-17T22:04:34.848Z

It takes at least 4-5 generations to even begin to change a society. It is almost impossible to change the adults present at the beginning.

WuWei · 2023-11-17T22:32:12.684Z

DougBH:

WuWei:

SixFoot:

Even the Muslim countries don’t want them.

I think that fact adds considerable weight to my premise. It’s a concensus that they are bad actors.

If Israel kicks them out and Muslims won’t take them, you do realize where these “bad actors” will wind up, right?

Sure. But they won’t have hegemony and they’ll be diluted.

DougBH · 2023-11-17T22:35:27.197Z

WuWei:

DougBH:

WuWei:

SixFoot:

Even the Muslim countries don’t want them.

I think that fact adds considerable weight to my premise. It’s a concensus that they are bad actors.

If Israel kicks them out and Muslims won’t take them, you do realize where these “bad actors” will wind up, right?

Sure. But they won’t have hegemony and they’ll be diluted.

So we take all the problem people of the world that others want to ditch. That exactly what Biden is doing and no.
The idea is that it’s ok for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine and we help them by taking who they can’t live with.
That’s wrong on every level.
That’s on the level of Central America dumping their prisoners here.
And this is exactly what we condemned the worst of Serbia over.

tnt · 2023-11-17T22:37:51.692Z

These are good questions.

And adding to this conversation I just heard a poll of Gazans was just taken and 70 some percent support hamas and I think a similar amount condone the attacks.

Heard on radio so might have something off.

But if we can trust that poll that is disturbing and weakens the argument that hamas isn’t Palestine.

tnt · 2023-11-17T22:38:54.605Z

Do you think the russians chose Putin?

TheRedComet · 2023-11-17T22:41:58.093Z

To a certain extent yes. And like Hamas to the Gazans Putin remains quite popular in Russia despite his obvious crimes against both the Russian people and the Russian state. As well as his crimes against non-Russians.

e7alr · 2023-11-17T23:04:28.969Z

This is a good topic and these things deserve consideration.

WuWei · 2023-11-18T00:57:44.545Z

I think they might surprise you.

WuWei · 2023-11-18T00:58:38.216Z

tnt:

You are equating Hamas with all of Palestinian Society/Culture.

Wrong.

tnt:

Sadly, we know from history, this is not true.

Wrong again.

WuWei · 2023-11-18T00:59:10.548Z

The Core.

WuWei · 2023-11-18T01:00:45.496Z

If Israel governs it when they’re done, it won’t be Palestinian. It will be Israel.

WuWei · 2023-11-18T01:01:32.730Z

He didn’t say anything about science.

Is Iceland killing babies?

WuWei · 2023-11-18T01:02:12.415Z

The Core

WuWei · 2023-11-18T01:03:53.444Z

Oryx:

tnt:

Should Iceland be wiped out because I don’t know a single Icelandic contribution to science without googling it?

It’s not about Palestinians’ lack of contributions to the civilized world, it’s that Palestinians have actively and repeatedly harmed the civilized world. Their government is literally a terrorist organization.

I offer that is a combination of the two.

Well said.

WuWei · 2023-11-18T01:04:33.806Z

tnt:

So they have a say?

On what basis?

WuWei · 2023-11-18T01:05:18.155Z

Yes.
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