Ending an active shooter encounter

WildRose · 2018-09-11T02:06:45.810Z

Tilly_jow:

WildRose:

Klaxton:

Samm:

The last thing any honest person wants to do is to kill someone.

Just ask these folks…

Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing - CBS News

What a load of BS. The number of people legally carrying with a permit would only be relative to the number of such incidents committed by people legally permitted to carry.

Notice your vaunted author leaves that number out.

There is also zero evidence to suggest that the rate of such incidents has increase.

There is no class of adults in the US statistically less likely to commit a violent crime of any kind than those who are legally permitted to carry.

Less than .02% of permit holders have been found guilty of any crime at all much less a violent crime.

Fact: Gun homicides were 10% higher in states with restrictive CCW laws, according to a study spanning 1980-2009. 1

Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry licenses have consistently been about 0.02% of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988. 2

Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida’s homicide rate fell from 36% above the national average to 4% below. 3

Fact: In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second. 4 Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year. 5

Fact: Crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws. 6

Type of Crime % Higher in
Restrictive States
Robbery 105%
Murder 86%
Assault 82%
Violent Crime 81%
Auto Theft 60%
Rape 25%

Fact: States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national averages. 7

Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, [8]

(Gun Facts | Insight on Concealed Carry of Guns in Public) the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%. 9

All these cherry picked facts can be rebutted when compared against numerous western European countries with sane gun laws.

You can’t refute any of it.

WildRose · 2018-09-11T02:08:44.491Z

There is absolutely no possible way to disarm everyone in the US. Not in your wildest fantasies would it ever be possible.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-11T02:11:35.725Z

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Samm · 2018-09-11T07:43:35.742Z

Tilly_jow:

WildRose:

What is this gibberish even supposed to mean exactly?

Who other than criminals are dong so? Be specific and cite some credible source to support your claims if you can.

IMO…The NRA.

Your opinion doesn’t count for ■■■■ without a source to back it up. Cite even one example of the NRA “supporting and encouraging gun violence” (which was your claim.)

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-11T17:22:22.874Z

Samm:

Tilly_jow:

WildRose:

What is this gibberish even supposed to mean exactly?

Who other than criminals are dong so? Be specific and cite some credible source to support your claims if you can.

IMO…The NRA.

Your opinion doesn’t count for ■■■■ without a source to back it up. Cite even one example of the NRA “supporting and encouraging gun violence” (which was your claim.)

It’s support of semiautomatic rifles and similar that can be easily converted into full auto.

There’s plenty documentation out there that I don’t need to post it.

Samm · 2018-09-11T20:36:21.515Z

Tilly_jow:

Samm:

Tilly_jow:

WildRose:

What is this gibberish even supposed to mean exactly?

Who other than criminals are dong so? Be specific and cite some credible source to support your claims if you can.

IMO…The NRA.

Your opinion doesn’t count for ■■■■ without a source to back it up. Cite even one example of the NRA “supporting and encouraging gun violence” (which was your claim.)

It’s support of semiautomatic rifles and similar that can be easily converted into full auto.

There’s plenty documentation out there that I don’t need to post it.

“Supporting and encouraging gun violence” refers to an activity, not to objects. Objects do not commit violence. There is plenty of documentation out there to support that.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-11T20:42:48.721Z

Samm:

It’s support of semiautomatic rifles and similar that can be easily converted into full auto.

There’s plenty documentation out there that I don’t need to post it.

“Supporting and encouraging gun violence” refers to an activity, not to objects. Objects do not commit violence. There is plenty of documentation out there to support that.
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The history of gun violence in the US refutes that assumption.

Samm · 2018-09-11T20:52:55.804Z

Tilly_jow:

The history of gun violence in the US refutes that assumption

There is no history of gun violence. That’s a euphemism created by liberals to shift blame for violence committed by people to guns. Guns are inanimate objects that are incapable of committing any act on their own.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-11T21:18:33.078Z

Samm:

Tilly_jow:

The history of gun violence in the US refutes that assumption

There is no history of gun violence. That’s a euphemism created by liberals to shift blame for violence committed by people to guns. Guns are inanimate objects that are incapable of committing any act on their own.

It’s more that the history of gun violence, it’s the culture of gun violence that people like the NRA infest.

And people know it.

Samm · 2018-09-11T23:13:22.469Z

Tilly_jow:

Samm:

Tilly_jow:

The history of gun violence in the US refutes that assumption

There is no history of gun violence. That’s a euphemism created by liberals to shift blame for violence committed by people to guns. Guns are inanimate objects that are incapable of committing any act on their own.

It’s more that the history of gun violence, it’s the culture of gun violence that people like the NRA infest.

And people know it.

That’s complete nonsense. The people who “infest” the NRA are perhaps as a group, the least likely to be involved in malicious violence with their guns of any other group of similar size in the country … including cops. What the people know is that you and your ilk are blowing smoke.

WildRose · 2018-09-12T16:00:18.437Z

Hogwash. Converting a semi auto to full auto is a federal crime. The NRA never has and never will encourage anyone to commit a crime.

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is sacrosanct and specifically protected by our constitution.

The lawful keeping and bearing of harms has absolutely zero to do with criminal activity.

WildRose · 2018-09-12T16:01:18.032Z

Yet another fact free post.

What percentage of NRA members have ever been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?

Cite your source.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-12T19:21:10.955Z

WildRose:

Hogwash. Converting a semi auto to full auto is a federal crime. The NRA never has and never will encourage anyone to commit a crime.

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is sacrosanct and specifically protected by our constitution.

The lawful keeping and bearing of harms has absolutely zero to do with criminal activity.

We’re lucky full auto is already illegal, if it weren’t, the NRA would fight tooth and nail making it illegal.
And their rationale would be the same tired stich they always use: ‘‘Well, the criminals have full auto. Law abiding citizens need them too.’’
And you’d back them like it seems you back everything they support. Amirite?

WildRose · 2018-09-13T02:15:55.383Z

It is not illegal to own a full auto, you just have to file the right paperwork.

WildRose · 2018-09-13T02:17:10.717Z

Tilly_jow:

Samm:

Tilly_jow:

The history of gun violence in the US refutes that assumption

There is no history of gun violence. That’s a euphemism created by liberals to shift blame for violence committed by people to guns. Guns are inanimate objects that are incapable of committing any act on their own.

It’s more that the history of gun violence, it’s the culture of gun violence that people like the NRA infest.

And people know it.

WildRose:

Yet another fact free post.

What percentage of NRA members have ever been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?

Cite your source.

Still waiting on your citation.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-13T02:17:30.426Z

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Tilly_jow · 2018-09-13T02:20:39.029Z

A total lack of abstract thinking must be a requirement for the NRA.

WildRose · 2018-09-13T02:22:32.995Z

The BS you keep making up is not “abstract thinking” it’s simply dishonest.

Samm · 2018-09-13T02:50:39.077Z

Tilly_jow:

A total lack of abstract thinking must be a requirement for the NRA.

NRA members share two very distinct characteristic. 1) they are overwhelmingly more law abiding than the general public and 2) they don’t put up with the ■■■■■■■■ made up by the likes of you. You haven’t posted a true statement since you entered this thread. Why don’t you slink back to your home under the bridge.

But you may have a point about us not being abstract thinkers. One meaning of abstract thinking is
thinking about things that are removed from the facts. You are aces at that.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-13T02:56:38.844Z

I have the world on my side.

and a lot of the USA.