I spent over twenty years on the University of Maryland’s campus, beginning in the 1970s. If you object to something specific I wrote, quote it and then state your objections.
JWK
As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
I’ve said it before, say it again.
When I went to an “expensive” private university, my tuition, room and board was between 1/4 - 1/5 of the median family income. Today, that same university TRB cost is 110% of the median family income. That’s, IMHO, unforgivable.
All those skills require training and or certifications… through centers designed to teach them, called “schools”.
Parsing trade schools and college does nothing to advance the fundamental problem.
My nephew went to trade school for diesel engine mechanics, including welding courses, and he has a fat student loan just like any traditional college student has…
My brother cuts hair with a license. The government paid the whole way. The cost was $5,000 for the course about 17 years ago.
During the recession, the government cut the funds for the program, and opened the trade schools up to student loans. The cost for the SAME COURSE today is $30,000
It’s crazy out there. We really could fix everything if we just eliminated the student loan program and made student loan debt bankrupt-able.
I had an objection to your numbers about Professor Salaries where you said that professor Salaries were the reason for tuition being so high. Which is patently false. So there ya go.
This is what I wrote in the first two lines of my post that I specifically objected to.
Cite your statements please. Because you state that the professor salaries are what is driving the cost of college education up. Which is totally false in the broad stream of things.
How could I be more clear to you. That is what I objected to. That is what I was asking for you to specifically cite. could you please do so. I want to be able to read and look into what you were referring to with this statement. I like to read for myself not take anyone’s word on it.
It appears you may be objecting to your own misrepresentation of what I wrote. Now, for the third time, If you object to something specific that I wrote, quote it and then state your objections.
I disagree with this wholeheartedly.
JWK:
Heck, with government undersigning low interest loans to potential college students, who would have known Colleges and Universities around the country would slowly but steadily increase college tuition knowing sugar daddy is there to meet the increases?
The average college faculty salary in the late 1960’s was about $12 thousand dollars. Today, that has risen to just under $100 dollars. The same inflated salaries apply to professors who received about $15 thousand in the late 1960s, compared to today’s $120 thousand dollars.
And what has government’s capitalist financing of college tuition given us? Institutions of socialist indoctrination, and outright attacks on anyone on campus who disagrees with and doesn’t tow the socialist mantra, and dares to defend our once free market, free enterprise system.
K1:
Are you not saying here that the blame is on those indoctrinators who are teaching our college students to be socialists, because their salaries went from 12,000 in 1960s and 70s to what they make now? Because that is what it looks like to me. Now if I am wrong tell me so I can go another direction. But if that is what you are saying you could not be further from the truth.
College professors make roughly the same amount of money now when adjusted for inflation, i.e. the value of what they make is the same as it was back then. They have not gotten rich beyond their imaginations.
this quote sheds some light…
Salaries have increased, sometimes substantially, for a tiny favored slice of academia, made up of tenured professors at elite institutions, some professional school faculty (business, law, medicine), and most especially faculty who have moved into the higher echelons of university administration. Such examples merely emphasize the extent to which the economics of the New Gilded Age have infiltrated the academic world: the one percent are doing fabulously well, and the ten percenters are doing fine, while the wretched refuse of our teeming shores will adjunct for food.
Numbers:
Average salary for all full-time faculty in degree-granting post-secondary institutions (this category includes instructors and lecturers, as well as all ranks of professors) in constant 2012-13 dollars:
