Electric Cars are coming- no need to drill in Alaska

[Samm]

@TheRedComet

As for electric cars, they are definitely the future of the market. But not for “cleanliness.” They’re actually pretty dirty to manufacture. Plus a lot of rare earth metals are used in the batteries.

They also require a complete replacement of batteries every ten years or so.

[amadeus]

@conan

No it’s not…Jay you have no clue what it takes. It’s a myth, a bill of good to entice those that are ignorant about true nature of products for monetary gain.

How many tons of material to make 1 battery? How is that material gathered? Process, equipment to mine and process said material? energy in fabricating finish product.

Sorry Jay…you don’t get to say I’m incorrect when you shown your own ignorance.

Stop telling people they are ignorant. Most people on this board seem intelligent.

[Samm]

@gooddad409

I wouldn’t spend 100,000 on any vehicle on the planet myself.

If I did, it would be low, sleek and very fast … and probably painted red.

[TheRedComet]

They do have a few advantages in the reliability department. An electric motor has far, far fewer moving parts than an ICE.

Batteries are generally the hold up. Your lithium battery will either be amazing and last 10 years or more. Or it’ll take a dump in two years, requiring the owner to shell out over ten grand to replace. It really depends on usage and the environment they are operated in.

Ultimately though, they’ll be more reliable than ICE cars simply because electric motors, batteries, and inverters are so much simpler than an internal combustion engine, probably the single most complicated thing made by man in large numbers.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

I already put a preorder for this. I can’t wait. Love electric cars. Already own two now, haven’t been to the gas station in 2 years.

It must be nice being rich.

Perhaps when you get your new one, you can donate one of the other two to a poor person.

[JayJay]

@EternalVigilance

Until an electric vehicle can charge in ten minutes and be feasible for cross country trips, I can’t say I’d be interested. The tech is neat, but they’re still very pricy toys and can’t match ICE vehicles for versatility - yet.

Next generation batteries will be able to get 400-500 miles of range. They’re happening already. And that’s the range of a typical gasoline tank.

DC fast chargers can already put 80-90% of range back into a battery in about 20-30 minutes. Charging within the five minutes it takes to gas up? Yes that’s likely not doable for some time, but people are already long distance road trips and just adapt their schedules to do things like eat while their cars are charging.

I don’t know why some act as if these problems are insurmountable. They’re not.

I also do know it’s pure fear mongering to believe we are going to be forced “by gubmint” to do this really fast so as to “cause pain”. That won’t happen.

People really need to discuss this stuff rationally and leave the politics out of it.

Yes I know that’s as likely as the earth stopping its rotation in the next thirty seconds.

[amadeus]

@Samm

@TheRedComet

As for electric cars, they are definitely the future of the market. But not for “cleanliness.” They’re actually pretty dirty to manufacture. Plus a lot of rare earth metals are used in the batteries.

They also require a complete replacement of batteries every ten years or so.

@Samm

@TheRedComet

As for electric cars, they are definitely the future of the market. But not for “cleanliness.” They’re actually pretty dirty to manufacture. Plus a lot of rare earth metals are used in the batteries.

They also require a complete replacement of batteries every ten years or so.

To me, it’s not a question of whether they are the future of the market. Electric vehicles require electricity. Look to see where our electricity comes from. On the other hand, oil is not he answer either. We can drill as fast as we can, as some would argue, but that will just exhaust the resource sooner, so to speak.

So we’re in a big pickle. The flow of energy is basic to life.

[TheRedComet]

Depending on mileage and maintenance (or lack thereof) it’s not uncommon for ICE cars to require engine and transmission swaps by that point in their lives.

Not in all cases. I always thought a modern car of any kind would last twenty years. When I got the chance to spend a few months working in a dealership I changed my tune real quick. We were doing transmission swaps on Nissan Altimas and Sentras that had fewer than 40,000 miles on them and were only about three or four years old. And not just a few. We averaged four to five a week and we were a small dealership.

In fairness, Nissan’s CVTs are absolute garbage. A buddy of mine worked at a GM dealer and ordering a transmission often took weeks. Nissan’s CVTs fail so often that we could order them in with a one or two day turnaround at the latest. It seemed like Nissan builds three spare CVTs for each car at times.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

John Kerry - Hoax Amplifier

Where do 90% of the emissions come from? Is this electric car thing going to get us to 0 emissions?

Electric cars alone won’t get us to zero emissions. I’m not sure we will ever get there. Reduced emissions should be the goal and going to electric vehicles is a huge step in that direction.

It all depends on what emissions you are talking about, and where in the production line you are measuring them.

[JayJay]

@TheRedComet

Depending on mileage and maintenance (or lack thereof) it’s not uncommon for ICE cars to require engine and transmission swaps by that point in their lives.

Not in all cases. I always thought a modern car of any kind would last twenty years. When I got the chance to spend a few months working in a dealership I changed my tune real quick. We were doing transmission swaps on Nissan Altimas and Sentras that had fewer than 40,000 miles on them and were only about three or four years old. And not just a few. We averaged four to five a week and we were a small dealership.

My teeny little Toyota Yaris that I bought in 2007 to be my commuting car is still tooling along having had no major repairs in the 14 years I have owned it.

Fuel economy has tapered off…I used to get 45 MPG. Now I only get 35 MPG. It’s battered looking (I abuse the interior of my cars) but still going strong.

(Hopefully I didn’t just jinx it).

Yes there are junk cars out there…there are also gems and I think cars probably do last longer than they used to.

[JayJay]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

John Kerry - Hoax Amplifier

Where do 90% of the emissions come from? Is this electric car thing going to get us to 0 emissions?

Electric cars alone won’t get us to zero emissions. I’m not sure we will ever get there. Reduced emissions should be the goal and going to electric vehicles is a huge step in that direction.

It all depends on what emissions you are talking about, and where in the production line you are measuring them.

Total emissions related to EVs are lower than that of the typical ICE car even taking into account that production of them are more fossil-fuel intense than the production of ICE cars.

But I know it’s politically expedient for some to focus on just one part of the chain…

[Samm]

@peek-a-boo

And that is the catch. In 2035, when GM will supposedly be all electric, there will still be lots of fossil fuel cars. Only the well-to-do will be able to afford those electric cars. The poor will be driving fossil fuel cars for many years beyond that. And of course the government, in its infinite wisdom, will impose heavy taxes on gasoline at the pump - attempting to get those who can least afford it to change their behavior.

So the well-to-do will be driving around in their spiffy new electric cars, while the poor will not only be unable to buy those new cars, they will be taxed into oblivion for their transgression.

… making those poor even less able to purchase an electric car.

[Samm]

@conan

This is what libs think they’re getting, it’s what in their minds.

You missed the part where they think the cars grow on trees.

[TheRedComet]

My Celica was the same way. I bought the car with a bad motor. Swapped in a rebuilt unit at 120,000 miles. The Car finally gave up the ghost a few months ago with 310,000 miles on it and I sold it as spares.

Transmission failure. It was still drivable to a degree, you just couldn’t shift into fourth gear. The synchros and gear set were completely gone.

Not bad for a 2000 model in which I was the third owner and it was heavily abused. I drove it like I stole it almost all the time. And considering it needed an engine swap at 120,000 I’m assuming the previous owners were just as rough on it. Transmission lasted 310,000 miles. So I was satisfied with it.

Mechanically speaking, modern cars are more reliable than “classic” (pre 1990s) cars. But the engine electronics are severely trouble prone among many brands. Especially Chrysler’s.

And sometimes I feel like fit and finish isn’t what it used to be. My Civic SI is a 2018 model with 60,000 miles and honestly it rattles more than the old 99 model a friend of mine drove in college that had racked up 130,000 miles on it.

[TheRedComet]

I definitely foresee that in the future.

But it may help out motorcycle sales when you think about. Bikes are crazy cheap compared to cars. A brand new loaded out Honda Shadow 750 is about 7000 bucks and has a low maintenance shaft drive.

In 2035, everyone will go back to riding motorcycles while the upper crust enjoy cars.

[Samm]

@JayJay

No they are cleaner…at the moment…even taking into account battery production and emissions from generating the electricity to recharge them.

The question remains if they would remain so if we scaled them up rapidly. Today 90+% of the recharging of EVs happen at home at night, using electricity that’s pretty much already being produced (baseload power).

That would change if the percentage of EVs in the mix changed.

Electricity is not generated at a base load, it is generated to match demand. Every time you flip a switch or plug in a device, the power generators adapt and maintain voltage at the proper frequency. What you are talking about is utilizing the excess capacity during normal low demand periods.

[Samm]

@conan

The amount of energy to mine, transport raw material, processing that material may actually be using more energy then oil used then fuel efficient car.

A car that gets 25 miles a gallon will use 10 thousand gallons of gas or there about in life of the car…or 250,000 miles.

making a battery for said car my use that same amount of energy once they mine, process materials and making the battery itself. Then you have to use that very same energy to charge said battery.

Libs have no idea what it takes to make stuff. Thus the problem///they think it comes out of thin air.

Greatest scam every to be perpetuated on man IMO.

And the EV at 250,000 miles will probably be operating on its third set of batteries.

[Samm]

@amadeus

Stop telling people they are ignorant. Most people on this board seem intelligent.

Intelligence and ignorance are two very different things.

[amadeus]

@Samm

@amadeus

Stop telling people they are ignorant. Most people on this board seem intelligent.

Intelligence and ignorance are two very different things.

Oh yes, we are all ignorant too. Especially if they disagree with you.

[Samm]

@TheRedComet

They do have a few advantages in the reliability department. An electric motor has far, far fewer moving parts than an ICE.

Batteries are generally the hold up. Your lithium battery will either be amazing and last 10 years or more. Or it’ll take a dump in two years, requiring the owner to shell out over ten grand to replace. It really depends on usage and the environment they are operated in.

Ultimately though, they’ll be more reliable than ICE cars simply because electric motors, batteries, and inverters are so much simpler than an internal combustion engine, probably the single most complicated thing made by man in large numbers.

You are probably right, but ICEs are pretty darned reliable these days. For example, my 2011 Tacoma has never had a wrench turned on it in a repair. I did, however, have to replace the battery last spring.