Dropping charges on the Russians

[PurpnGold]

@Ben_Natuf

the fbi got nothing but a report.

the forensics is not the data, it is the analysis of the data and the report thereof. your insistence in trying to convince people that “we have the forensics”=“we have the data” and not the analysis performed and its results leaves a lot of doubt about your claim to do it for a living.

Your own definition proved my point

“AND reports”

Have you ever ran case like this using FTK or Encase? My guess it no. A report out of those tools also shows images of data, file structures, network diagrams etc. Reports are super thorough.

But let’s assume they only got a report… since you and other seem to claim it helps your case. So what?

[WuWei]

“And” not “only”

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

And” not “only”

“And” not “or”

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

And” not “only”

“And” not “or”

Agreed. So both. Did the FBI get both or just one?

How do I assure the quality of your work?

[Ben_Natuf]

for a dollar you can get: a snicker, a kit kat, a coke, and jelly beans.

lots of ways to interpret that, only one way means you get all of them. try it out and let us know what you get for a dollar.

The definition does not prove your point, it refutes it. The data itself is not the forensics. It is what the forensics are performed on and the report thereof.

when prosecutor says we have the forensics on the knife wound, he doesn’t mean he’s going to cut off the body part that got stabbed and plop it on the jury table. he means they have a detailed scientific report and analysis showing its a knife wound.

CS performed an analysis on the hard data, this analysis generated a report, thats what the fbi got.

[PurpnGold]

@Ben_Natuf

The definition does not prove your point, it refutes it. The data itself is not the forensics. It is what the forensics are performed on and the report thereof.

The data SUPPORTS. Again, you are commenting from a position of never running these types of investigations.

@Ben_Natuf

when prosecutor says we have the forensics on the knife wound, he doesn’t mean he’s going to cut off the body part that got stabbed and plop it on the jury table. he means they have a detailed scientific report and analysis showing its a knife wound.

CS performed an analysis on the hard data, this analysis generated a report, thats what the fbi got.

Ah you described why having only a report would not be a problem. I am saying that the FBI would need to validate the work done, before prosecuting, and CS says they gave them everything.

So you have the FBI saying they got “forensics” and CS saying they gave them everything.

Why are they both not to be believed.

[Jezcoe]

@PurpnGold

@Ben_Natuf

no its not.

[quote] the application of scientific principles and techniques to matters of criminal justice especially as relating to the collection, examination, and analysis of physical evidence : forensics

I do this for a living… look at your definition. You supported my answer

Digital Forensics in Information Security . Digital Forensics is a branch of forensic science which includes the identification, collection, analysis and reporting any valuable digital information in the digital devices related to the computer crimes, as a part of the investigation.

Emphasis mine. AND reporting.

You don’t have a complete picture of forensics without the data. Yes there is a report. But that is called a forensic report or and forensic investigative report.

FTK, Encase and any other collection and analysis tool spits out a report but the case file INCLUDES the data that the report references.

You know that random people on the internet know what you do for a living better than you do… duh.

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@PurpnGold

@Ben_Natuf

no its not.

[quote] the application of scientific principles and techniques to matters of criminal justice especially as relating to the collection, examination, and analysis of physical evidence : forensics

I do this for a living… look at your definition. You supported my answer

Digital Forensics in Information Security . Digital Forensics is a branch of forensic science which includes the identification, collection, analysis and reporting any valuable digital information in the digital devices related to the computer crimes, as a part of the investigation.

Emphasis mine. AND reporting.

You don’t have a complete picture of forensics without the data. Yes there is a report. But that is called a forensic report or and forensic investigative report.

FTK, Encase and any other collection and analysis tool spits out a report but the case file INCLUDES the data that the report references.

You know that random people on the internet know what you do for a living better than you do… duh.

He does digital forensics for large political parties eager to put the blame on the other party and that flat out refused the help of federal law enforcement?

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

He does digital forensics for large political parties eager to put the blame on the other party and that flat out refused the help of federal law enforcement?

No, I do it for companies with reputations and shareholders that also have the same concerns as a political party.

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@PurpnGold

@Ben_Natuf

no its not.

[quote] the application of scientific principles and techniques to matters of criminal justice especially as relating to the collection, examination, and analysis of physical evidence : forensics

I do this for a living… look at your definition. You supported my answer

Digital Forensics in Information Security . Digital Forensics is a branch of forensic science which includes the identification, collection, analysis and reporting any valuable digital information in the digital devices related to the computer crimes, as a part of the investigation.

Emphasis mine. AND reporting.

You don’t have a complete picture of forensics without the data. Yes there is a report. But that is called a forensic report or and forensic investigative report.

FTK, Encase and any other collection and analysis tool spits out a report but the case file INCLUDES the data that the report references.

You know that random people on the internet know what you do for a living better than you do… duh.

He does digital forensics for large political parties eager to put the blame on the other party and that flat out refused the help of federal law enforcement?

Russia is the “other political party”?

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@zantax

He does digital forensics for large political parties eager to put the blame on the other party and that flat out refused the help of federal law enforcement?

No, I do it for companies with reputations and shareholders that also have the same concerns as a political party.

Really? Those companies have a political stake in who did it?

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@PurpnGold

@Ben_Natuf

no its not.

[quote] the application of scientific principles and techniques to matters of criminal justice especially as relating to the collection, examination, and analysis of physical evidence : forensics

I do this for a living… look at your definition. You supported my answer

Digital Forensics in Information Security . Digital Forensics is a branch of forensic science which includes the identification, collection, analysis and reporting any valuable digital information in the digital devices related to the computer crimes, as a part of the investigation.

Emphasis mine. AND reporting.

You don’t have a complete picture of forensics without the data. Yes there is a report. But that is called a forensic report or and forensic investigative report.

FTK, Encase and any other collection and analysis tool spits out a report but the case file INCLUDES the data that the report references.

You know that random people on the internet know what you do for a living better than you do… duh.

He does digital forensics for large political parties eager to put the blame on the other party and that flat out refused the help of federal law enforcement?

Russia is the “other political party”?

No, the people who “colluded” with them are.

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@PurpnGold

@Ben_Natuf

no its not.

[quote] the application of scientific principles and techniques to matters of criminal justice especially as relating to the collection, examination, and analysis of physical evidence : forensics

I do this for a living… look at your definition. You supported my answer

Digital Forensics in Information Security . Digital Forensics is a branch of forensic science which includes the identification, collection, analysis and reporting any valuable digital information in the digital devices related to the computer crimes, as a part of the investigation.

Emphasis mine. AND reporting.

You don’t have a complete picture of forensics without the data. Yes there is a report. But that is called a forensic report or and forensic investigative report.

FTK, Encase and any other collection and analysis tool spits out a report but the case file INCLUDES the data that the report references.

You know that random people on the internet know what you do for a living better than you do… duh.

He does digital forensics for large political parties eager to put the blame on the other party and that flat out refused the help of federal law enforcement?

Russia is the “other political party”?

No, the people who “colluded” with them are.

Oh… the Trump campaign working really hard to obtain that stolen information (“If is later in the summer, I love it!”) or the time when Roger Stone was totally not coordinating with Wikileaks about their release?

Those guys?

No… the GOP nor the Trump campaign did not in any way try to hack the DNC or the DCCC… that was Russian Intelligence.

The Trump campaign did try like hell to get their hands on that stolen material though.

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

Really? Those companies have a political stake in who did it?

In some cases yes… Competitors whether it is a Chinese or American company… are always on the short list of “who done it”

But that doesn’t matter… you let the investigation guide you.

I’m just saying the concerns you expressed about the DNC are the same concerns other companies have.

[GWH]

@GWH

Manafort, Cohen and Stone are next. Hold on to your Chinese folding fans libs. You’ll need them for the vapors.

Cohen was released today.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

You know that random people on the internet know what you do for a living better than you do… duh.

Irony. America At War.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

But that doesn’t matter… you let the investigation guide you.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Are you trying to speak for me again? That’s my philosophy and the right one.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

Are you trying to speak for me again? That’s my philosophy and the right one.

@PurpnGold

Competitors whether it is a Chinese or American company… are always on the short list of “who done it”

Bias coming out the gate.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Bias coming out the gate.

That’s what the companies think… never said that is what the forensic investigators think.