Drip, Drip, Drip...... Now Let's Connect Them?

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@ohknow35

@WuWei

Or Erika Thompson.

Yeah, some people can’t get their timelines straight. Even when things are laid out for them in a nice article by Real Clear Investigations.

It’ll all come to a head eventually.

Yeah… Aaron Mate is going to blow the whole thing open.

No, he won’t. The objective has already been achieved. The truth is now irrelevant.

[ohknow35]

@Jezcoe

Yeah… Aaron Mate is going to blow the whole thing open.

This is too funny. I don’t even know who Aaron Mate is. I didn’t even look at the by-line when I read it, and I still don’t give a damn. But you have mentioned his name 4 or 5 times now as a dismissal of his work.

Do you disregard the work of all of those reporters who have been issuing corrections to their stories, or more importantly the ones who haven’t??

Do you hold those dupes and liars in equal contempt, or is the programming too strong and you just want to kill the messenger??

[ohknow35]

@WuWei

No, he won’t. The objective has already been achieved. The truth is now irrelevant.

Looks like one serious dude to me.

[WuWei]

You should lower your expectations of bureaucrats; you’ll be disappointed a lot less often.

[Smyrna]

@WuWei

You should lower your expectations of bureaucrats; you’ll be disappointed a lot less often.

…and I’ve been waiting for years for this truth he’s working on, to be fully exposed…drip, drip, drip…

[WuWei]

Good luck.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Jezcoe

@Paul_Thomson

Do you believe that? I don’t. What would have happened had Pence refused to open the EC votes of states whose election integrity was being challenged? Would Trump have automatically been declared winner?

Nope.

Exactly. Thank you.

[Jezcoe]

@Paul_Thomson

@Jezcoe

@Paul_Thomson

Do you believe that? I don’t. What would have happened had Pence refused to open the EC votes of states whose election integrity was being challenged? Would Trump have automatically been declared winner?

Nope.

Exactly. Thank you.

That was a dumb place to edit what I said.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Jezcoe

That was a dumb place to edit what I said.

I stopped where your stupid conspiracy theories started.

[Jezcoe]

@Paul_Thomson

@Jezcoe

That was a dumb place to edit what I said.

I stopped where your stupid conspiracy theories started.

it isn’t a conspiracy theory… they wrote the plan down.

It is why Guiliani is getting caught up in the whole dumb thing about faking electors.

[Paul_Thomson]

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@Paul_Thomson

@Jezcoe

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I stopped where your stupid conspiracy theories started.

it isn’t a conspiracy theory… they wrote the plan down.

It is why Guiliani is getting caught up in the whole dumb thing about faking electors.

[Ben_Natuf]

yes i do, because yes it is.

[Ben_Natuf]

no, yours is the pretzel logic, no-one thought the vp could declare a winner. the idea was for him to reject the electors and throw it back to state legislatures so they could determine the winner. i happen to agree that the vp has no such authority. some legal scholars believe he actually could.

[Ben_Natuf]

no, thats not it at all.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

yes i do, because yes it is.

Some people writing op -eds talking about faithless electors is in no way in the same universe as the President’s personal lawyer cooking up a scheme to present an alternate slate of Electors to give the Vice President cover for throwing out the results of the election.

The claims that the President wanted to be investigated were based on nothing but the wild imaginings of the howler monkeys that he surrounded himself with.

So… there is a difference.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

no, yours is the pretzel logic, no-one thought the vp could declare a winner. the idea was for him to reject the electors and throw it back to state legislatures so they could determine the winner. i happen to agree that the vp has no such authority. some legal scholars believe he actually could.

Would any of those legal scholars have argued that AL Gore would have had the power to throw out the Electors from Florida? Nope.

As I have stated before. The Eastman memo is predicated on the idea that the Vice President has the power to unilaterally throw out electors and declare the winner.

The vote to the Congress was to come after that was objected to… but the second thing could not have happened until the first thing did.

The wild thing is because they failed the supporters who would be losing their ■■■■ if it was a Democrat doing it are making excuses for it.

[Ben_Natuf]

op-eds don’t contact electors. hillary’s people did, trying to get them to flip.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

no, thats not it at all.

Yes it is

When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html

[Ben_Natuf]

the problem with your narrative is that it required alternate slates of electors for those 7 states. there were no alternate slates. the only road open without them would be to reject the electors and throw it back to the state legislatures to investigate the claims of fraud and recertify either the same or new electors based on the results of those investigations. that is in reality what they were trying to do. could it have worked? i don’t know. i guess it would all depend on whether or not people accepted the vp’s action in rejecting them. its one of those constitutional grey areas where if you can do it and get away with it, its constitutional, if you can’t, its not. i do believe since the courts basically made it impossible to be heard, the state legislatures were the only available route. i also believe that if the legislatures had taken it up, the result would not have changed. a couple states maybe, but not enough.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

the problem with your narrative is that it required alternate slates of electors for those 7 states. there were no alternate slates. the only road open without them would be to reject the electors and throw it back to the state legislatures to investigate the claims of fraud and recertify either the same or new electors based on the results of those investigations. that is in reality what they were trying to do. could it have worked? i don’t know. i guess it would all depend on whether or not people accepted the vp’s action in rejecting them. its one of those constitutional grey areas where if you can do it and get away with it, its constitutional, if you can’t, its not. i do believe since the courts basically made it impossible to be heard, the state legislatures were the only available route. i also believe that if the legislatures had taken it up, the result would not have changed. a couple states maybe, but not enough.

That is why they faked electors from those States.

It is a thing that actually happened. I don’t get why people want to hand wave it away so quickly… well I get why… but it makes no sense.