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Over and over again we keep hearing about Manafort giving that private polling data to a Russian…something Mueller looked at and decided he didn’t know what, if anything, this was used for. Anything beyond that is imagination, not fact.
And yet we have the Democrats paying to create a dossier that they fed unsupported information into to the FBI. We have the Democrats feeding the FBI imagined but unsupported information about some secret computer connection from Trump to Russian banks. And then we have someone in the government (Brennan?) releasing this to the media in a way that they can undermine a Presidency.
There’s your real coup.

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Oh… so it is no big deal for head of a campaign to give over inside campaign information directly to Russian Intelligence. Especially during a campaign year where that same foreign intelligence agency was actively working to destablize the election.

Makes total sense.

Which came to the FBI through more than one source… one of them was John McCain. But still… the only thing that the Steele Dossier was used for was the FISA warrant on Carter Page… that’s it.

So what? They looked into it and determined before the election that there was no determination that there was nothing untoward about it even though from the outside it looked pretty bad. They even put it out in the news before the election.

And this is why all of this is wild. All of these greivances that are based on half truths as to what actually happened has allowed for a President using the power of his office to try overturn an election that he lost. It is crazy how it all gets hand waved away because of a misplaced notion of “They did this thing so I will excuse this other thing”

Logically it doesn’t even make sense.

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“The only thing the dossier was used for….”
They decided there was nothing untoward…”

The dossier was released by a government source to the media. More precisely an excuse for making it a news story was released. It was indeed used to undermine a Presidency.
The alleged computer connection was being pushed by left media well into 2018. Also being used to undermine a President.
Hence…the real coup.

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No it wasn’t.

It was an open secret in government and journalists circles for quite a while.

The FBI publicly said that there is nothing to the AlFA bank thing before the election… but somehow they are still using it to conspire against Trump.

None of it makes sense when facts are introduced.

But let us say that the FBI was in on undermining the Trump Presidency… that does not give Trump Carter Blanche to do what he wants to use the power of his office to overturn the election that he lost.

It just doesn’t.

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…and that…is how you justify it in your mind?

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It’s new! How does an Administration address this? Also consider the other numerous forces working against him? What he endured from the media, the establishment, social media and almost every other source was unprecedented in our nation’s history!!

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I don’t try and justify a President using the power of the office to overturn an election that he lost.

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So what?

It doesn’t excuse trying to overturn the results of an election

That is how children think things work.

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It was known to the media, but reputable media organizations would not write about it until it was valid news. It was considered valid news the day it was placed on Trumps desk by Comey (according to him under the direction of Comey. Then The Daily Beast and CNN worked together to present the entire fake dossier to the media.
As to the story about the computer, I linked to a CNN story still using it to attack Trump in 2017. Somehow the left media was still using it to conspire against Trump.

I made no connection between the attempts (largely successful) to undermine the Trump presidency and what happened on Jan 6, other than to note that this was more of a coup than someone walking around a building in a bison outfit…at his own discretion if you can call that discretiion.

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I keep talking about what President Trump did and you keep going back to this.

Why is that?

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what trump did? he used his constitutional right to challenge the election in court and suggested that states use their constitutional authority to delay appointing electors until the legislatures could investigate his claims. niether worked, both are entirely legitimate. more legitimate in fact than looking for “faithless electors” which is what democrats tried.

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That continues to be a false characterisation of the facts. He had not lost any election until after the EC votes submitted were accepted, counted and reported by Pence.

Before that, the election result was moot. Seeking to delay the certifying of a result until a comprehensive forensic audit, could not therefore be overturning an election “result” which did not yet exist.

I do, however, recall many attempts by anti-Trump factions after Jan 6 2016 to overturn that result.

But in anti-Trump minds… they were not attempted coups. Go figure.

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I am sure that you believe that that is all he did.

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This is the type of pretzel logic that you get when you operate under the legal theory that the Vice President can unilaterally throw out electors and declare the winner of the election.

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Do you believe that? I don’t. What would have happened had Pence refused to open the EC votes of states whose election integrity was being challenged? Would Trump have automatically been declared winner?

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Nope. The plan was for Pence to do that and it be objected so it would go to Congress where they vote is based on State Representation and that would keep Trump in power.

We have the plan… they wrote it down.

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Or Erika Thompson.

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Yeah, some people can’t get their timelines straight. Even when things are laid out for them in a nice article by Real Clear Investigations.

It’ll all come to a head eventually.

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Yeah… Aaron Mate is going to blow the whole thing open.