DO is an Osteopath, similar to MD in training, most of whom are general Practitioners. RN’s are “Registered Nurses”, generally requiring a four year degree. They tend to be the “floor nurses” and nurse supervisors and many go on to be "Nurse Practitioners who have about the same training and privileges as PA’s.
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You’re using a piss poor definition taken from who knows where.
Epidemiology is the method used to find the causes of health outcomes and diseases in populations. In epidemiology, the patient is the community and individuals are viewed collectively. By definition, epidemiology is the study (scientific, systematic, and data-driven) of the distribution (frequency, pattern) and determinants (causes, risk factors) of health-related states and events (not just diseases) in specified populations (neighborhood, school, city, state, country, global). It is also the application of this study to the control of health problems (Source: Principles of Epidemiology, 3rd Edition ).
https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiology.html
When disease outbreaks or other threats emerge, epidemiologists are on the scene to investigate. Often called “Disease Detectives”, epidemiologists search for the cause of disease, identify people who are at risk, determine how to control or stop the spread or prevent it from happening again. Physicians, veterinarians, scientists, and other health professionals often train to be “Disease Detectives”.
What do epidemiologists do?
Like investigators at the scene of a crime, disease detectives begin by looking for clues. They systematically gather information, asking questions such as:
- Who is sick?
- What are their symptoms?
- When did they get sick?
- Where could they have been exposed?
Using statistical analysis, epidemiologists study answers to these questions to find out how a particular health problem was introduced.
Disease detectives identify new diseases that have never been seen before, such as Legionnaire’s disease and SARS and the organisms that cause them.
Disease detectives use what they learn during the investigation and make recommendations to control the spread or prevent a future occurrence.
https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiologists.html
We disagree regarding Fauci’s recommendations.
JWK
You pulled a piss poor definition from “somewhere” that didn’t even begin to fit the title.
You’re just wrong on this one John, give it up and move on.
Fauci is not our enemy here, he is a voice we need because no matter what we do economically we need to understand the epidemiological possibilities that may follow and then we need to be educated enough on the subject to honestly explain and defend what does follow.
Will there be more CCPV deaths as we open? Probably.
If we don’t reopen are there likely top be even more deaths from other causes stemming from misery, depression, untreated, even undetected emergent medical conditions that people were discouraged from going to the ER over? You bet.
Which has the higher cost in lives in the end?
We have to understand those costs and be able to explain them as well as the economics of reopening.
Thank you for your opinion.
The only people who need to “shelter at home” are those most susceptible to the deadly effects of the virus. Fauci recommended otherwise and his recommendation is irrational and lacks common sense.
JWK
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Not if you understand anything about epidemiology.
You’re just wrong John, damn, go learn something on the topic.
I didn’t see non-political in that definition.[quote=“WildRose, post:82, topic:231148, full:true”]
You’re using a piss poor definition taken from who knows where.
Epidemiology is the method used to find the causes of health outcomes and diseases in populations. In epidemiology, the patient is the community and individuals are viewed collectively. By definition, epidemiology is the study (scientific, systematic, and data-driven) of the distribution (frequency, pattern) and determinants (causes, risk factors) of health-related states and events (not just diseases) in specified populations (neighborhood, school, city, state, country, global). It is also the application of this study to the control of health problems (Source: Principles of Epidemiology, 3rd Edition ).
https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiology.html
When disease outbreaks or other threats emerge, epidemiologists are on the scene to investigate. Often called “Disease Detectives”, epidemiologists search for the cause of disease, identify people who are at risk, determine how to control or stop the spread or prevent it from happening again. Physicians, veterinarians, scientists, and other health professionals often train to be “Disease Detectives”.
What do epidemiologists do?
Like investigators at the scene of a crime, disease detectives begin by looking for clues. They systematically gather information, asking questions such as:
- Who is sick?
- What are their symptoms?
- When did they get sick?
- Where could they have been exposed?
Using statistical analysis, epidemiologists study answers to these questions to find out how a particular health problem was introduced.
Disease detectives identify new diseases that have never been seen before, such as Legionnaire’s disease and SARS and the organisms that cause them.
Disease detectives use what they learn during the investigation and make recommendations to control the spread or prevent a future occurrence.
https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiologists.html
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You butchered the quote pretty badly there Paul. Need to put a return after the period.
Fauci has tried to remain non political but because of his position everything he says is politicized as are virtually all of the questions he’s catching from most of the press.
Their primary interest is to try and stir up friction between between Fauci and Trump with BS made up controversies and secondarily to discredit him since he’s not buying in to their ginned up BS.
Do you see that as an objective fact, or a subjective opinion?
Objective fact. He never wanted to be in the limelight at all much less being used as a political football.
No, it’s your subjective opinion. You cannot objectively measure someone else’s heart. God can, but we cannot.
I can look at what’s changed in the last 30 years in his career and when.
He has avoided being in the limelight until this administration put him there.
I can also look at how he’s acted in all of the TF briefings, what he’s said, the questions that get thrown his way and his answers along with the same in his interviews.
HIV/AIDS was a really big thing when I was doing my work in virology, immunology, and epidemiology and Fauci was one of the leading authors and most cited experts in the field from the mid 80’s- about 2015 so you could hardly read an article or paper without coming across his work.
He’s just not that guy, one of the few remaining true scientists not driven by a political agenda or controlled by those who have them via donations and grants.
Smyrna
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Silwy wabbit…Dr. Fauci is practicing the Hypocrtic Oath. It sounds the same but…as you can see…it isn’t. 
Would that make him less of a doctor or lessen his knowledge in his field? And he’s 79, I’m sure most doctors his age don’t see patients any longer.
It makes him a technician with a very limited range of expertise. A specialist learns more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing. Trump should redirect Fauci’s efforts and commission Fauci to present in two weeks a report on the expected spread, during an extended lockdown, of diseases and morbidities other than COVID20. At least then Fauci will be forced out of his deadly tunnel vision.
It’s sure not. He has tunnel vision. It doesn’t even occur to him that if we stay down long enough millions will starve.
Well you can stay home with them if you are scared.
The rest need to get back to work before they start losing their houses and getting hungry.
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Wrong about what? My position is crystal clear. Fauci’s advice, that residents of every state should shelter at home, is not based upon common sense and logic. And it is not based upon common sense and logic when reviewing epidemiology factors. It was well known, as early as late February, that “… the vast majority of the people who have serious disease and who will ultimately die, they are in that group that are either elderly and/or have underlying conditions." Quoting Fauci.
At this point in time, common sense and logic, based upon epidemiology findings, indicates shelter at home ought to be directed at the most vulnerable to the deadly effects of the vires, i.e., the elderly, and more specifically those who have underlying medical conditions such as such as heart disease, diabetes, chronic lung disease, etc.
So, what am I wrong about? Your insulting remark that I ought to “learn something on the topic” is unsubstantiated and misplaced.
One of the biggest problems I see today among those who offer advice and criticism, base their opinions on inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning.
JWK
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That’s why we don’t let “experts” with a very narrow focus and world view run the country.
You appreciate them for their expertise and listen to their advice but leave the decision making to those with a much broader focus and understanding of the country and the world.
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