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That is my opinion of someone who would ruin their life by being an active member of the Hells angels. But I willl wait for further discussions until we have someone’s name, what they are being charged with, and what the evidence is. As of now, this is just hypothetical based on rumor. Then maybe we can ask him to take an IQ test.
Again, you may be okay with a federal militarized force roaming the streets of America, apprehending citizens based on a presumption of guilt, when they have not been invited by the State (in fact have been asked to leave repeatedly) but I am not okay with this. These small steps towards authoritarianism scare the ■■■■ out of me. This is ■■■■ that happens in communist China or in Putin’s Russia. This should not be happening in America.
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DougBH
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Presumption of guilt? It would depend on what that presumption was made.
The state has nothing to do with whether the Federal government can defend Federal Property. That was established at Fort Sumpter in 1860. Nor does the Federal government need the approval of the state to enforce Federal laws…that was established in the late 1950s and 1960s.
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It’s clear we are not going to agree here. I have serious issues with this authoritarian federal overreach of sending militarized agents out into the streets of America, uninvited and looking for citizens to apprehend. Period.
History is littered with examples of this ■■■■ and the end result is always the same. Always.
You may place 100% trust in CentGov and believe they will always have your best interests at heart. I don’t. You may be willing to sacrifice American liberties for a small sense of security. I’m not.
DougBH
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And George Wallace and Orval Faubus would no doubt have agreed that Federal action against the wishes of the state government was a slippery slope. My guess is that most posters who don’t like the Feds involvement here would have no problem with the involvement there.
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You just compared militarized federal agents roaming the streets of America looking to apprehend citizens based on a presumption of guilt to federal enforcement of desegregation. I don’t think any more needs to be said here. Wow.
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DougBH
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You are presuming they are wandering the streets looking to apprehend citizens based on a presumption of guilt. I do not know, in specific cases, why the arrest was made and the basis for that arrest. What does “presumption of guilt” mean anyway? Everyone who is arrested is arrested based on a presumption that they did something, until the court decides.
Wow.
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Your trust in CentGov authorized militarized agents of the federal government roaming American streets against the wishes of the state government is obviously greater than mine. I’ve seen this type of authoritarian garbage throughout history. We still see it today in places like China and Russia. I demand more from America. I’m not willing to concede liberty for some false sense of security.
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You still need that bridge…
One guy? Really?
You really don’t get this, do you? Not surprised, but follow along… big differences.
The Charlottseville protest was organized and advertised by Jason Kessler and Richard Spencer, two prominent white supremacists. The openly carried a variety of Nazi and white supremacy regalia, marching the night before carrying tiki torches chanting “blood and soil”. My opinion remains the same today… if you joined that group at any point, whether the beginning, in the midst of, or after-the-fact… you a truly a piece of ■■■■ human being.
The BLM protests, on the other hand, are inclusive of people from all races, all walks of life. They employ peaceful protests in an effort to seek change and right institutional injustices they see affecting minority populations, particularly the Black population. Their motive is a righteous one that I fully support.
The first few days of the recent protests were by and large peaceful. I believe it was around the third night when things went sideways. I just posted a link above about “umbrella man”… apparently the guy police believe started the first fire in Minneapolis. You should read it. They believe the guy is a known white supremacist and was trying to foment further violence and unrest. Anyways, I have condemned the looting and destruction of property from day one; I literally don’t know a single soul who condones those actions.
But no, this entire premise that anyone who is involved with the protests that were hijacked by antifa is flat-out ludicrous. The Wall of Moms is about the best example you can provide of what a peaceful protest should look like… again, you should actually read the news rather than acting like you have. Read some of the first-hand accounts from these moms and come back and explain how they are violent. They are not providing cover for antifa; they are providing cover for other peaceful protestors who were being targeted by police for things like not following a lawful order (i.e. “get off the street”). Yes, some of the hijackers have targeted police, have commited arson, have done all sorts fo terrible things… but the Wall of Moms is not there for them, they are there for the other 99% who assemble peacefully but end up finding themselves on the receiving end of “non-lethal” bullets or in a cloud of tear gas.
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Do you think I wrote that article? You think I’m the one investigating this?
No. That’s the police. If you have an issue with their investigation and the conclusions they’ve drawn, you should likely take it up with them. I’m just a poster on the intertubes…
You could try to sell them a bridge? Pretty sure they’ve got quite a few there, so maybe decent chances… 
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Let me provide you with two quick links that cover the full spectrum you’re referring to since you’re apparently unaware of how to use the internet.
One end of the spectrum; random protester in Minneapolis: George Floyd protesters condemn 'opportunistic' looting and violence | George Floyd | The Guardian
Other end of the spectrum; Biden himself: Joe Biden Warns Against “Needless Destruction” In George Floyd Protests – Deadline
I think you’re terribly confused about the media’s role in this, and really anything else. Their job is to report the facts, things that are unfolding on the ground, etc. They are not televised to give us their opinion, to pass judgement on any given side, etc. They report the news… you’re referring to talking head pundits, which are not the news.
It’s overwhelming, and yet where is the evidence you’ve provided? You’ve only made assertions here… nothing more.
You’ve got is ass-backwards man. This isn’t an Antifa rally that BLM protesters decided to join. This was a BLM rally that antifa hijacked.
I’d like to think that didn’t need to be explained to you… was that intentional?
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Be clear here. Are you equating Antifa to BLM? Are you saying they’re synonymous?
Federal Agents are pursuing suspects, fugitives, and making arrests all over the country every day.
They have been for as long as we’ve had FLEO’s.
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Yet it’s been happening for as long as we’ve had FLEO’s and only now are you suddenly bothered by it… . Hmmm?
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No.
Let’s review:
The claim was “TONS of riots are being started by white supremacists!!!1!”
You provided:
One guy participated in a riot.
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