DOJ issues warrants to Facebook for info on several political activists, ip addy of millions of users

FreeAndClear · 2018-10-07T14:45:29.668Z

Warrants are. Their use to affect first amendment rights arguably isn’t.

FreeAndClear · 2018-10-07T14:46:34.571Z

The first amendment does not apply to those who are not physically in United States With a few caveats. Sure as butt doesn’t apply to Russian GRU agents. So tell me more about this goose and his gander.

FreeAndClear · 2018-10-07T14:47:50.665Z

Also this isn’t new. The US government trying to weed out the trouble makers goes back decades and Hoover sure as hell wasnt a liberal

TommyLucchese · 2018-10-07T15:03:34.137Z

Lol @ small government conservatives.

TommyLucchese · 2018-10-07T15:05:14.174Z

zantax:

Had to read all the way to the bottom for a hint as to why they might be seeking such warrants.

from https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politics/facebook-anti-administration-activists/index.html

Carrefour denied that he was involved in any of the riots in Washington, DC, on Inauguration Day, but acknowledged that he has “participated in or helped to organize dozens of demonstrations and events of various types in service of political causes.”

Lol how long don’t you think it would take me to go into one of the other Facebook/social media threads and find you saying something that makes you look like a hypocrite?

WuWei · 2018-10-07T16:00:10.085Z

Under no circumstances should this information be given to the agents of the state.

Tguns · 2018-10-07T17:01:30.892Z

FloridaYankee:

They originally came with a gag order, so it does kinda sound like it, but it would appear that they are American citizens. Two are anarchists and one Antifa. I have little to no sympathy for their causes, but their rights are their rights.

I have no sympathy for antifa scum, but you’re right as far as their rights are concerned. I would say requesting IP addresses for those who visited the site(s) is clearly beyond a reasonable search.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-10-07T18:11:39.653Z

TommyLucchese:

Lol @ small government conservatives.

And Family Values conservatives. And low national debt conservatives. And Christian conservatives. And free market conservatives.

Thank God for Trump. Dude exposed all the fakes.

zantax · 2018-10-08T09:54:24.078Z

Tguns:

FloridaYankee:

They originally came with a gag order, so it does kinda sound like it, but it would appear that they are American citizens. Two are anarchists and one Antifa. I have little to no sympathy for their causes, but their rights are their rights.

I have no sympathy for antifa scum, but you’re right as far as their rights are concerned. I would say requesting IP addresses for those who visited the site(s) is clearly beyond a reasonable search.

They didn’t request thousands of IP’s, the lawyer for one of the people says they would have access to the identity of thousands of people if they got access to their clients account. If the person in question was organizing violence on facebook, which is what I assume they are alleging and they have probable cause for the warrant I don’t see the problem. Just posting a pot pie recipe on those pages isn’t going to get anyone thrown in jail, posting let’s crack some heads open might and should.

dantes · 2018-10-08T10:07:49.875Z

They did make a request:

The Justice Department is not commenting on these search warrants, but government attorneys have issued a similar search warrant to the web provider DreamHost seeking wide-ranging information about visitors to the website disruptj20.org, which provided a forum for anti-Trump protestors. In that case, DOJ modified its initial search warrant seeking millions of IP address for the visitors who merely clicked on the disruptj20.org website.

zantax · 2018-10-08T10:13:54.348Z

dantes:

They did make a request:

The Justice Department is not commenting on these search warrants, but government attorneys have issued a similar search warrant to the web provider DreamHost seeking wide-ranging information about visitors to the website disruptj20.org, which provided a forum for anti-Trump protestors. In that case, DOJ modified its initial search warrant seeking millions of IP address for the visitors who merely clicked on the disruptj20.org website.

Don’t care, if that address was involved in a violent conspiracy, too bad. They’d still have to prove you did more than visit the page to do anything to you. As long as they follow proper procedure and show cause in court to get a warrant its all good.

dantes · 2018-10-08T12:30:56.852Z

That’s the point. It wasn’t all good and they had to revise their request.

tnt · 2018-10-08T12:40:55.790Z

zantax:

on’t care, if that address was involved in a violent conspiracy, too bad. They’d still have to prove you did more than visit the page to do anything to you. As long as they follow proper procedure and show cause in court to get a warrant its all good.

Patriot Act defense. “If you didn’t do anything wrong, why should this bother you?”

JayJay · 2018-10-08T12:48:28.288Z

zantax:

Tguns:

FloridaYankee:

They originally came with a gag order, so it does kinda sound like it, but it would appear that they are American citizens. Two are anarchists and one Antifa. I have little to no sympathy for their causes, but their rights are their rights.

I have no sympathy for antifa scum, but you’re right as far as their rights are concerned. I would say requesting IP addresses for those who visited the site(s) is clearly beyond a reasonable search.

They didn’t request thousands of IP’s, the lawyer for one of the people says they would have access to the identity of thousands of people if they got access to their clients account. If the person in question was organizing violence on facebook, which is what I assume they are alleging and they have probable cause for the warrant I don’t see the problem. Just posting a pot pie recipe on those pages isn’t going to get anyone thrown in jail, posting let’s crack some heads open might and should.

Ah, so we’re using the “if you’ve got nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from the government acquiring this information” argument, are we?

zantax · 2018-10-08T13:05:12.811Z

tnt:

zantax:

on’t care, if that address was involved in a violent conspiracy, too bad. They’d still have to prove you did more than visit the page to do anything to you. As long as they follow proper procedure and show cause in court to get a warrant its all good.

Patriot Act defense. “If you didn’t do anything wrong, why should this bother you?”

No, they had to get a warrant from a judge, if they got one we can assume they had probable cause that there was illegal activity on the page in question.

zantax · 2018-10-08T13:06:22.931Z

JayJay:

zantax:

Tguns:

FloridaYankee:

They originally came with a gag order, so it does kinda sound like it, but it would appear that they are American citizens. Two are anarchists and one Antifa. I have little to no sympathy for their causes, but their rights are their rights.

I have no sympathy for antifa scum, but you’re right as far as their rights are concerned. I would say requesting IP addresses for those who visited the site(s) is clearly beyond a reasonable search.

They didn’t request thousands of IP’s, the lawyer for one of the people says they would have access to the identity of thousands of people if they got access to their clients account. If the person in question was organizing violence on facebook, which is what I assume they are alleging and they have probable cause for the warrant I don’t see the problem. Just posting a pot pie recipe on those pages isn’t going to get anyone thrown in jail, posting let’s crack some heads open might and should.

Ah, so we’re using the “if you’ve got nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from the government acquiring this information” argument, are we?

No, we are using the you don’t get to hide your criminal conspiracy website because some innocent people may have visited it theory.

dantes · 2018-10-08T13:16:58.118Z

Yes. Just like Carter Page where no one was upset at all because they went through a judge.

zantax · 2018-10-08T13:21:39.390Z

dantes:

Yes. Just like Carter Page where no one was upset at all because they went through a judge.

Do you think that meant people were saying warrants should be done away with or what? Can you not take issue with one warrant and not another depending on the justification used to obtain it? I don’t know enough about the one we are discussing here to say whether it was justifiable or not, neither do you. What you can’t say is they shouldn’t be able to get one because some people may have visited the page who weren’t involved in a crime. If the page in question was being used to conspire to commit violence, a warrant is justifiable.

dantes · 2018-10-08T13:45:51.642Z

I took your statement to mean that if a warrant is approved by a judge then no one has any reason to complain because it means they had probable cause.

zantax · 2018-10-08T15:43:54.770Z

dantes:

I took your statement to mean that if a warrant is approved by a judge then no one has any reason to complain because it means they had probable cause.

Of course you are free to object to a warrant and appeal to a higher court.