Does the President have Absolute Power over the Country and States

[WuWei]

@Paul_Thomson

@Oryx

It doesn’t mean that Trump has absolute authority over the states as he claimed.

I haven’t seen him claiming that. Where did he do that?

Yeah he did, in this context.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Piper

@wonderingrover

I’ll just add that as a conservative, I’ve always believed in upholding states’ rights. I hope others recognize that this shows that Trump is no conservative at all. He needs to reread the constitution very carefully.

Every state has been declared “states of emergency.” What does that mean?

It means that the governors of those states get to decide when to rescind them. The President cannot rescind an order that he did not make

No, that’s not what it means. The President declared them major emergencies. The last one was 4/11.

The state issued State of Emergencies predate the federal one. He has no power to rescind those

Based on what?

Reality. California issued a Statenof Emergency 10 days before Trump did

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Ben_Natuf

but he did declare the states of emergency making it possible, and he can declare the emergency over.

Yes ue can declare a national emergency over but he cant rescind the actions taken by state governors. They are still local emergencies

What can he rescind?

I know what he can’t rescind and that’s a state issued State of Emergency

How do you know that?

[Oryx]

@WuWei

It’s been done in the past. Usually by democrats.

So that’s a yes? When Trump says the country will open on a certain date and some states resist, he’s going to send in the military to enforce his central government order?

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Ben_Natuf

which is irrelevant to the fact that the declared states of emergency and the pursuant enhanced executive powers (of both the President and Governors) are federally founded. When the feds declare the emergency over, the authority goes with it and the balance of powers is restored.

Nope. Just because it’s no longer a national emergency doesn’t mean it still isnt a local emergency. Those calls lie with the Governors

It means the emergency is over as far as the central government is concerned, which means…

And it remains to be seen whether he can do it or not.

Yes over for the federal government. Not over for the states

Based on what?

[NebraskaFootball]

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Ben_Natuf

only to the extent that they do not affect neighboring states… which isn’t even possible in this situation.

Nope, sorry. A state emergency is a state emergency. The federal government has no power to rescind them

What are you basing this claim on?

The authority to require businesses to close in a public health crisis is what is known as a ‘police power,’ and it is reserved by the Constitution to the states, not to the federal government.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Ben_Natuf

but he did declare the states of emergency making it possible, and he can declare the emergency over.

Yes ue can declare a national emergency over but he cant rescind the actions taken by state governors. They are still local emergencies

What can he rescind?

I know what he can’t rescind and that’s a state issued State of Emergency

How do you know that?

Show where he is specifically is given that power. Powers not defined to the federal government goes where again?

[PeterGriffin]

Yeah but it’s not like that.

What happened to the Presidential EO tactic you tried to raise yesterday?

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

@Oryx

@WuWei

Remember when Obama actually acted with total authority and libs were like “Ooh…aah!”

Remember when Republicans spoke out against it?

You betcha. Remember when libs rationalized it?

I remember when I criticized Obama for it along with you only to see you change your tune with a new President

Did you?

Have I? Perhaps you can show where I’ve “changed my tune”?

Are you assuming I agree with Trump?

[PeterGriffin]

He can try. Nothing will happen.

[WuWei]

@Oryx

@WuWei

You betcha. Remember when libs rationalized it?

Yes, big-government Democrats were okay with ceding more power to the central government when Obama was president, which was consistent with their political philosophy. In 2020, Republicans have take up the big government rallying cry to support Donald Trump.

Isn’t fascinating? Think we’ll learn the lesson?

[Ben_Natuf]

trump hate. its what all arguments from libs are based on.

[Oryx]

@Paul_Thomson

I’m still waiting for context. In relation to what specific issue were these statements made?

The context is a national emergency, which Trump has used in the past for political purposes.

[sikofit]

@Ben_Natuf

trump hate. its what all arguments from libs are based on.

No. My argument is based on the Constitution and States Rights

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@Ben_Natuf

until they effect commerce.

Wrong. There is nothing in the Commerce Clause that allows the fed to invalidate a state issued State of Emergency

What is there in the Constitution about State of Emergency at all?

[Oryx]

@WuWei

Isn’t fascinating? Think we’ll learn the lesson?

Who is “we”? And no, I don’t think any lessons will be learned.

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Piper

@wonderingrover

I’ll just add that as a conservative, I’ve always believed in upholding states’ rights. I hope others recognize that this shows that Trump is no conservative at all. He needs to reread the constitution very carefully.

Every state has been declared “states of emergency.” What does that mean?

It means that the governors of those states get to decide when to rescind them. The President cannot rescind an order that he did not make

No, that’s not what it means. The President declared them major emergencies. The last one was 4/11.

The state issued State of Emergencies predate the federal one. He has no power to rescind those

Based on what?

Reality. California issued a Statenof Emergency 10 days before Trump did

So? What does that mean?

[Ben_Natuf]

commerce clause

[sikofit]

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Ben_Natuf

until they effect commerce.

Wrong. There is nothing in the Commerce Clause that allows the fed to invalidate a state issued State of Emergency

What is there in the Constitution about State of Emergency at all?

Wait it isnt there? Guess where the authority lies then? Should be an easy answer for any Consitutionalist

[Oryx]

@Ben_Natuf

its what all arguments from libs are based on

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