Does NBA photographer who has been fired for posting up an Kamala Harris meme deserve a 2nd chance?

[hwyflier]

@zantax

Sure, anonymous isn’t really all that anonymous on the internet. Anyone posting here who thinks they can’t be outed is fooling themselves.

Right. Well, that was political speech eh? And his employer fired him.

Point is, employers fire people for social media nonsense, as they should.

[WuWei]

It’s push back against separate and not equal.

[PeterGriffin]

It wasn’t a surprise to anyone who has been following the “White Power Hour” that is Carlson’s show for awhile. Of course, the major culprit in all this wasn’t the fact that Tucker Carlson has been coddling and encouraging and in some cases overtly engaging in white nationalism beliefs, nope. The problem, according to Tucker Carlson was “The Media” for outing his long time head writer as someone who was racist AF.

[zantax]

@hwyflier

@zantax

Sure, anonymous isn’t really all that anonymous on the internet. Anyone posting here who thinks they can’t be outed is fooling themselves.

Right. Well, that was political speech eh? And his employer fired him.

Point is, employers fire people for social media nonsense, as they should.

The argument here seems to be centered around whether it is applied equally or with different standards based on who is spouting the nonsense.

[Jezcoe]

@PeterGriffin

There isn’t really issue here. It’s just push back against “cancel culture”, which is a rejection to the startling discovery that free speech has consequences, yes even for white men.

It is not an uncommon belief on the right that ‘free speech’ means you get to say whatever you want, wherever you want and there can not be any negative consequences to that speech. This goes from major conservative pundits to their audience.

It’s not even a policy argument, just another grievance from the post policy GOP. Certain types have gotten away with it for so long, the country and attitudes have changed and they haven’t. They think they can still go around and say stupid ■■■■ and nothing will happen to them.

Well, there’s a whole lot of people who have lost and will lose their jobs and have a harder time getting another one because of their social media performances, and that’s how it works in the Free Market.

So yeah, join a union or negotiate your own employment agreement that indemnifies you from the consequences of the stupid ■■■■ you have to say in your personal life, keep it to yourself, or actually develop a better value system where you don’t feel compelled to say stupid ■■■■ like this guy did.

Or get a change to the Bill of Rights that makes free speech from any free market consequences.

I don’t understand why Republicans are struggling so hard with this. This is exactly the playing field they created and the forces they say are infallible. Personal responsibility and the free market all rolled into one. But this country has grown very decadent and soft, in this example the decadence is where this photographer felt compelled to share what he had to say, the softness is in “nothing should have happened to him or he should get a 2nd chance”.

There is also a problem that “cancel culture” is an umbrella term for a whole host of online shaming that it can literally mean anything because the examples of it are such broad in scope.

As I said.

It is something that has always happened but people have attached a moral panic around it.

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@PeterGriffin

There isn’t really issue here. It’s just push back against “cancel culture”, which is a rejection to the startling discovery that free speech has consequences, yes even for white men.

It is not an uncommon belief on the right that ‘free speech’ means you get to say whatever you want, wherever you want and there can not be any negative consequences to that speech. This goes from major conservative pundits to their audience.

It’s not even a policy argument, just another grievance from the post policy GOP. Certain types have gotten away with it for so long, the country and attitudes have changed and they haven’t. They think they can still go around and say stupid ■■■■ and nothing will happen to them.

Well, there’s a whole lot of people who have lost and will lose their jobs and have a harder time getting another one because of their social media performances, and that’s how it works in the Free Market.

So yeah, join a union or negotiate your own employment agreement that indemnifies you from the consequences of the stupid ■■■■ you have to say in your personal life, keep it to yourself, or actually develop a better value system where you don’t feel compelled to say stupid ■■■■ like this guy did.

Or get a change to the Bill of Rights that makes free speech from any free market consequences.

I don’t understand why Republicans are struggling so hard with this. This is exactly the playing field they created and the forces they say are infallible. Personal responsibility and the free market all rolled into one. But this country has grown very decadent and soft, in this example the decadence is where this photographer felt compelled to share what he had to say, the softness is in “nothing should have happened to him or he should get a 2nd chance”.

There is also a problem that “cancel culture” is an umbrella term for a whole host of online shaming that it can literally mean anything because the examples of it are such broad in scope.

As I said.

It is something that has always happened but people have attached a moral panic around it.

Can’t imagine why, the only thing on the line are their jobs and reputations. If people in this country were sane and smart social media would be a ghost town.

[PeterGriffin]

The outcomes are unequal because Republicans/Trump Supporters/conservatives/whatever have a much higher propensity for saying offensive things in the public square.

The push back is because they want to be able to say offensive things without consequences.

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

@Guilds

@WuWei

Say things that are offensive as determined by the Woke.

One needs to be woke, to know that calling a woman a hoe (which she clearly is not) is rude and inappropriate?

We used to call that, mature and respectful.

Rappers.

Different market.

[WuWei]

@PeterGriffin

The outcomes are unequal because Republicans/Trump Supporters/conservatives/whatever have a much higher propensity for saying offensive things in the public square.

The push back is because they want to be able to say offensive things without consequences.

They should form a union.

Who decides what is offensive? Who decides that what Harris was called in that post is more offensive than what Trump is called and by what criteria?

[WuWei]

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

@Guilds

@WuWei

Say things that are offensive as determined by the Woke.

One needs to be woke, to know that calling a woman a hoe (which she clearly is not) is rude and inappropriate?

We used to call that, mature and respectful.

Rappers.

Different market.

I this post. Different identities.

[hwyflier]

@zantax

The argument here seems to be centered around whether it is applied equally or with different standards based on who is spouting the nonsense.

Ok. But I have google and just did a search and well, guess what, it happens to everyone.

[PeterGriffin]

They’re having a hard time figuring out that they can’t get away with what they’ve been getting away with their entire lives. Nobody wants to associate their business with that kind of nonsense. All social media is is a platform that gives a lot more reach to what people are saying. If that causes you problems for what you’re saying, the problem isn’t social media or “cancel culture”. The problem is the words coming out your mouth.

[SeaManatee]

It just boils down to someone being important enough to have sensitivity training instead of getting rid of them. It’s the NBA, do you actually play basketball? Are you important to the team? Sensitivity training. Anyone else? Just post memes about traffic being bad.

[WuWei]

@PeterGriffin

Nobody wants to associate their business with that kind of nonsense.

Not true.

[WuWei]

@SeaManatee

It just boils down to someone being important enough to have sensitivity training instead of getting rid of them. It’s the NBA, do you actually play basketball? Are you important to the team? Sensitivity training. Anyone else? Just post memes about traffic being bad.

Ariel Atkins get sensitivity training?

[hwyflier]

@WuWei

Who decides what is offensive?

In this case, the free market and the employer.

[WuWei]

@hwyflier

@zantax

The argument here seems to be centered around whether it is applied equally or with different standards based on who is spouting the nonsense.

Ok. But I have google and just did a search and well, guess what, it happens to everyone.

No it doesn’t.

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

@Guilds

@WuWei

Say things that are offensive as determined by the Woke.

One needs to be woke, to know that calling a woman a hoe (which she clearly is not) is rude and inappropriate?

We used to call that, mature and respectful.

Rappers.

Different market.

I this post. Different identities.

Each business can decide for themselves what rises to a fireable offense. Something wrong with that?

[zantax]

@PeterGriffin

The outcomes are unequal because Republicans/Trump Supporters/conservatives/whatever have a much higher propensity for saying offensive things in the public square.

The push back is because they want to be able to say offensive things without consequences.

Well let’s change that, let’s chase down everyone who reposted these tweets and get to firing.

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[hwyflier]

@PeterGriffin

Nobody wants to associate their business with that kind of nonsense.

The old guy we bought the company from was aghast at the idea that I removed his cheesy 2nd amendment bumper stickers off all the crew trucks. It was actually one of the first requests for changes of the employees that held over, even those who carry.

Everyone was just sick of having to talk about it with clients at work. All hassle, no reward, so they got the goo-gone treatment.