Does congress have the right to Trump's tax records?

[MidwestIndy]

@altair1013

@TheDoctorIsIn

Do you know why “no reasonable prosecutor” would bring the case?

That’s an opinion. Comey has no authority to speak for anyone other than himself. No reasonable liberal prosecutor would take the case. Many reasonable conservative ones would have.

And now they have had their chance for two years and … nothing.

[MidwestIndy]

@altair1013

@Eclipze

Reminds me of the phrases “military intelligence” and “jumbo shrimp”

If you are going to insult the military, you might want to find a different forum. Your host is a huge supporter.

And? Nothing in the TOS says any poster has to support whst the host supports.

[MidwestIndy]

@altair1013

@Vali

Some sheep are simply born to be ruled over, and that appears to be what Trumpists are looking for.

Honesty Vali. What you need to do is to get back on topic. Nothing that you are saying is adding value to the discussion. I really don’t want to flag you. Thanks!

You mean like questioning the political ideology of another poster in this thread in a snarky way?

[BigBear]

@komobu

eople want to willingly violate the rights of one citizen, let them lose their own rights as well.

What part of US presidents, or major candidates for that office, publicly releasing their tax returns seems unfair to you?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

What about what the Supreme Court said about intent and the Espionage Act?

[komobu]

If it is voluntarily done, none. If the opposing party goes to the IRS, and demands that the IRS release the taxes in question, without the consent of the candidate, everything.

Where do you see it as a requirement for office? There is a method for making it a requirement for office if you like, but as yet it is not one. Trying to force the govt to release the taxes on a citizen is garbage. The voters who voted for Trump, and I am not one of them, made their decision. They didnt care.

[Vigilante]

Make them all public

[BlueTex]

@komobu

Where do you see it as a requirement for office? There is a method for making it a requirement for office if you like, but as yet it is not one. Trying to force the govt to release the taxes on a citizen is garbage. The voters who voted for Trump, and I am not one of them, made their decision. They didnt care.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that CONGRESS decides whether returns are public or private. Tax information was public at one time…

United States v. Dickey, 268 U.S. 378 (1925)

The more you know…

[FreeAndClear]

That’s interesting. Can executive privilege be asserted by the executive refusing to do something? Since it’s not codified, is there a formal process? Or is there just tradition?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

If you don’t think parties change over time take a gander at what republicans said about foreign governments like the Soviet Union or China 50-70 years ago. The grandfathers and great grandfathers of these current republicans have got to be spinning in their graves.

[BlueTex]

Wouldn’t it be interesting that after Nadler’s investigation that the committee proposed legislation exempting presidential tax returns from the privacy laws? Would make a great campaign issue in 2020…

[dantes]

So you’re going off memory?

That doesn’t seem like a good idea. Your memory isn’t what it used to be.

[komobu]

Sure…Private or Public for ALL individuals. Not just political enemies

[BlueTex]

@komobu

Sure…Private or Public for ALL individuals. Not just political enemies

Up to congress… I personally see nothing egregious about making the presidents tax returns public. Even more fun would be watching Trump Beto the bill.

[Bodecea]

@armycowboy

@dantes

They write tax law and provide oversight to the government.

They (or at least a few of them) have the right to anyone’s taxes. It’s the law.

Since 1924, as a matter of fact.

Because of the Teapot Dome scandal…under a Republican President.

[Bodecea]

@altair1013

@armycowboy

Since 1924, as a matter of fact.

As a matter of fact, they don’t enforce tax law. The IRS does. They have no right to anyone’s tax returns. They write the laws that the FBI enforces as well. But congress does not execute search warrants. They have no right to do that. The FBI does. Same for the IRS.

That’s matter of fact.

As a matter of fact, Congress does have the right to compel testimony as per SCOTUS ruling McGrain v. Daugherty and the right to access to tax returns as per Congress passing legislation after the Teapot Dome scandal for review of tax records of any US citizen without regard to elected or appointed position, nor subject to White House interference.

[Bodecea]

@altair1013

@Apocalypto

You’re wrong.

That’s possible. It was only a prediction. Time will tell. Every one told me that I was wrong on the Mueller report too. How did that work out?

You know how the Mueller Report worked out? You’ve seen it? The rest of us have not…yet.

[lessright]

You had to be there. My guess, he wasn’t.

[Bodecea]

@altair1013

@Vali

Of course it’s going to happen.

What’s not happening? Fat Donald and the right-wing fever dreams of a special counsel to “investigate the investigators”.

People that think that’s going to happen need to be strongly bitch-slapped back to reality.

Same is true of the ridiculously absurd “Q” conspiracy. To believe that takes some real lack of critical thinking.

So here’s some amazing critical thinking for you. We just finished a witch hunt. Now we are moving into the fishing expedition phase. Why a fishing expedition? Because there is no allegation or evidence of any tax crimes committed by the president. If there were, the IRS would certainly find it. So based on that. Should every democrat who is demanding the President’s tax returns be willing to release their own tax returns? You know, walk the talk?

How’s that for critical thinking? You like?

Is it still a “witch hunt” when it catches several witches? Is it just a fish expedition when we haven’t seen the investigation results yet because the subject of the investigation is working hard to keep said results under wraps? You’d think an innocent man would be happen to release extensive investigative evidence of his innocence.

[Bodecea]

@altair1013

@GrandWazoo

Well, history tells us that the IRS missed about $500,000.00 in owed taxes that were found on Nixon’s tax returns after Congress did their oversight.

You realize that there was a criminal investigation regarding Nixon? Right? It was not a fishing expedition simply searching for anything they could find. Big difference.

Oh? What was that criminal investigation regarding Nixon? Who was in charge of it?