Does congress have the right to Trump's tax records?

DougBH · 2019-04-14T01:10:52.588Z

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Ben_Natuf:

the congress does not determine any such thing. even they can only receive the returns in closed executive session and cannot by law divulge the information. Having any special law regarding only the President and VP would seem on its face highly questionable from a constitutional standpoint.

[quote]I take it you didn’t read the history of tax privacy in the report I linked. The Supreme Court has already ruled that CONGRESS determines the privacy of tax information.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/268/378/ [/quote]

And around and around we go…until the Supreme Court actually decides…likely several years in the future.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/04/why-congress-might-not-get-trumps-tax-returns-226571

BlueTex · 2019-04-14T01:21:50.743Z

DougBH:

And around and around we go…until the Supreme Court actually decides…likely several years in the future.

POLITICO Magazine

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Why Congress Might Not Get Trump’s Tax Returns

Unless Democrats invoke impeachment, there’s a strong chance they’ll lose this legal fight.

The author appears to be unaware that the house ways and means committee has been laying the groundwork for the legislative purpose argument since January… Hence this report published in Feb…

https://www.jct.gov/publications.html?func=download&id=5159&chk=5159&no_html=1

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-04-14T01:32:34.885Z

I’m not sure who is more afraid of Donald Trump’s taxes being seen by House Oversight. Donald Trump himself or Donald Trump voters.

Maybe it’s because deep down Donald Trump’s voters know he’s crooked and if his taxes or finances are investigated they will look like idiots for voting for him. Maybe a pride thing?

DougBH · 2019-04-14T04:09:26.845Z

BlueTex:

The author appears to be unaware that the house ways and means committee has been laying the groundwork for the legislative purpose argument since January… Hence this report published in Feb

You can “lay the groundwork” because you know you are skating on thin ice. Judges aren’t necessarily unaware of whats really going on.

DougBH · 2019-04-14T04:10:41.939Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

I’m not sure who is more afraid of Donald Trump’s taxes being seen by House Oversight. Donald Trump himself or Donald Trump voters.

Maybe it’s because deep down Donald Trump’s voters know he’s crooked and if his taxes or finances are investigated they will look like idiots for voting for him. Maybe a pride thing?

Maybe its the principle of privacy and over reaching government powers invading privacy for political purposes.

hindsight · 2019-04-14T04:17:55.407Z

zantax:

He doesn’t need an excuse, none of your beeswax would suffice.

It’s as if Trump supports enjoy being lied to.

Ben_Natuf · 2019-04-19T17:46:14.602Z

and the congress has. the law is clear, congress is not exempt from it as it specifically applies to them. they may receive the info only in closed executive session.

altair1013 · 2019-04-19T17:59:36.962Z

The dems can’t keep their focus. They bounce around like a rubber ball trying to find a Trump scandal. Now they are back to the Mueller report where they will probably stay for another few weeks. Then it may be back to taxes, Stormy or something else. Their inability to focus is their worst enemy.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2019-04-19T18:16:24.733Z

Im nkt saying this is what will happen - but they can recieve the info in a closed session, and then read it onto the record in an open session.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2019-04-19T18:18:19.500Z

DougBH:

You can “lay the groundwork” because you know you are skating on thin ice. Judges aren’t necessarily unaware of whats really going on.

Judges are generally hesitant to rule on the merits of a congressional inquiry. It’s a separation of powers issue.

As long as Congress can articulate a legislative purpose, they meet the legal standard.

altair1013 · 2019-04-19T18:20:24.467Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

As long as Congress can articulate a legislative purpose, they meet the legal standard

Not according to Harvard law Professor and Hillary voter Alan Dershowitz. The law clearly protects non indicted individuals. And thank God it does.

altair1013 · 2019-04-19T18:24:27.937Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

Judges are generally hesitant to rule on the merits of a congressional inquiry. It’s a separation of powers issue.

Which is weird, because they feel no such hesitation regarding the executive branch.

BlueTex · 2019-04-19T18:30:24.114Z

altair1013:

Not according to Harvard law Professor and Hillary voter Alan Dershowitz. The law clearly protects non indicted individuals. And thank God it does.

Dershowitz said that about 26 USC 6103 and congressional committee access?

altair1013 · 2019-04-19T18:33:40.144Z

BlueTex:

Dershowitz said that about 26 USC 6103 and congressional committee access?

He has 5 minute video from FNC. It’s probably better that you watch it than me explain it.

BlueTex · 2019-04-19T18:34:02.177Z

altair1013:

He has 5 minute video from FNC. It’s probably better that you watch it than me explain it.

Please post a link…

TheDoctorIsIn · 2019-04-19T18:34:24.433Z

I did some quick googling, and can’t find any comments by Dershowitz relating to Trump’s taxes.

BlueTex · 2019-04-19T18:35:52.265Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

I did some quick googling, and can’t find any comments by Dershowitz relating to Trump’s taxes.

I think he is confusing different inquiries…

altair1013 · 2019-04-19T18:48:24.336Z

BlueTex:

I think he is confusing different inquiries…

Maaaaay-bee.

komobu · 2019-04-19T18:53:29.640Z

For all or for one?

Vigilante · 2019-04-19T19:01:20.012Z

Trump is going to be mired with lawsuits until the day he dies