This whole “may issue” nonsense
WuWei
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Oh! You mean the infringement was taken away.
Thanks.
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STODR
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Making unconstitutional laws on feelings.
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Yes, you have successfully stated what I already said.
WuWei
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Yes, I named it correctly.
DLaw
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Only under specific factual scenarios.
(1) The person must have been legally entitled to purchase a firearm (i.e. not a felon, not banned by court from owning or possessing, legal age, etc.
(2) The person must have been denied a CCW by not showing necessary need to carry (usually specific threats)
There is an argument to be made about a person convicted of unlawful concealed carry who never applies for a permit on the theory they only carried for general self-protection and not a specific threat. So to some extent the result may hinge on statements the person makes when they’re arrested.
WuWei
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Incorrect verbiage. Buying an arm is not am entitlement. Try, “Not be a prohibited person”.
And what that conviction they reverse be for?
DLaw
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Thanks for the language change, although I see it as a distinction without a difference.
I’m sure many people with gun possession convictions in my state (CA) will be seeking to withdraw their pleas or findings of guilt. There are issues standing in the way. Under CA law there is 6 month window following a guilty PLEA to seek that remed upon a showing of good cause.
Another avenue is seeking a finding of factual innocence by writ or motion, generally within 2 years of the plea or conviction. The two years can be waived, in particular in case where a statute is deemed retroactively unconstitutional. So “retroactivity” may be a litigated issue.
I can say for the last two years in CA, simple unlawful gun possession misdemeanors have been eligible for judicial diversion with the record wiped clean upon successful completion, usually 3-12 months. That being said, although historically in CA a first offense was almost universally charged as a misdemeanor, hard core DA’s are now charging the offense as a felony in order to circumvent diversion eligibility, only agreeing to a misdemeanor upon a guilty plea or following a term of probation. Even LA’s screaming liberal DA Gascón is doing this exact thing (charging felonies), thus stripping judicial intervention of granting diversion.
DLaw
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I intended “legally entitled” to mean “not prohibited.” Is a 5 year old “prohibited” or “not entitled.”
The application says “eligible” and “ineligible,” and NOT “otherwise prohibited.”
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/pfecapp.pdf
WuWei
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Yes, a 5 year-old is a prohibited person.
DLaw
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Such convictions carry varying collateral and actual consequences. Can be as simple of denial of the privilege of global entry or as horrific as loss of employment. Every case is different.
DLaw
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I thought I said simple illegal possession of an otherwise legally obtained firearm. For example, a person buys a gun, is in CA and has no permit to carry outside his home, otherwise transports it unlawfully, and gets arrested and convicted for the mere possession (e.g. Penal Code §25850).
In practice, prosecutors lump in possession of illegal acquired firearms absent proof of another underlying crime (e.g. receiving stole property).
WuWei
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Ok, first of all those cases are undoubtedly extremely rare. And what in the SCOTUS ruling do you believe changes that charge?