Do forum libs support this?

[tnt]

Reasonable. But might need some kind of emergency clause for wars, pandemics or depressions.

[tnt]

True. But on the other hand it’s just a stupid stick for one party to whack the other party with.

[conan]

That’s politics. Can’t handle it don’t run for office.

[SixFoot]

Isn’t the Treasury Secretary a Cabinet position that can be impeached?

[W_and_C]

@conan

I disagree. It’s public awareness of just how much/large/debt our goverment has accumulated. Bureaucrats would love nothing less to keep it from being publicized.

Thus precisely why it needs to be in congress hands and not bureaucrats.

Better ways to raise awareness.

Print out a brochure or something.

[conan]

No…congress needs to do their job.

I understand libs want unelected bureaucrats to governed this nation.

[PurpnGold]

@conan

No…congress needs to do their job.

Why do we need a debt ceiling? Has it ever been used to prevent adding more debt?

I’d say remove it al together. It serves no purpose

[conan]

@PurpnGold

I’d say remove it al together. It serves no purpose

I keep saying the same thing about our goverment.

[W_and_C]

@conan

No…congress needs to do their job.

I understand libs want unelected bureaucrats to governed this nation.

Having a predictable partisan pissing match every year solely to “spread awareness” isn’t a job.

If you want people to be aware, organize a walk-a-thon or something

[GrandWazoo]

I heard something interesting on the tube about it. Apparently we are one of the few countries that have a debt ceiling. And I believe that they mentioned Finland has one similar to ours but theirs increases automatically each year. I believe that it should stay in Congress. But I sure wish it would go back to the good old days where it wasn’t the political football that it has become in recent years.

[biggestal99]

@conan

Taking the power away from congress on debt limit to Treasury secretary?

And if so why?

Yes, It would take politics out of the equation.

Allan

[tnt]

@conan

No…congress needs to do their job.

I understand libs want unelected bureaucrats to governed this nation.

Spending is their job right? Can’t we hold them accountable to adding to the debt through their spending, by voting them out when w disagree with what they spent?

The debt ceiling is never NOT raised, so why have it?

[peek-a-boo]

@conan

I disagree. It’s public awareness of just how much/large/debt our goverment has accumulated. Bureaucrats would love nothing less to keep it from being publicized.

Outside of politicians, do you really think anyone is paying attention? The debt ceiling is always raised, but in the interim lots of unnecessary anxiety.

I’m a fiscal conservative, but I’m also a pragmatic realist. That money has already been spent and we have to pay our bills. The time to take a stand is during the budget process, not during the debt ceiling process - when its too late.

Thus precisely why it needs to be in congress hands and not bureaucrats.

100% agree that transferring the debt ceiling to the executive branch would be a mistake. Making it automatic or removing it altogether would allow us to pay our bills without having political posturing enter the picture.

[SottoVoce]

When congress passes the budget it is implied the government will pay for it. Either mandate that when the budget is passed the debt ceiling is explicitly increased to meet the needs or allow the debt ceiling to be increased to match the budget. I hope people don’t think it’s OK to pass a budget but not plan on paying for it.

[tnt]

@peek-a-boo

I’m a fiscal conservative, but I’m also a pragmatic realist. That money has already been spent and we have to pay our bills. The time to take a stand is during the budget process, not during the debt ceiling process - when its too late.

Agreed. And yet, when debating things like the tax cuts that added billions to the deficit, conservatives were silent.

@peek-a-boo

100% agree that transferring the debt ceiling to the executive branch would be a mistake. Making it automatic or removing it altogether would allow us to pay our bills without having political posturing enter the picture.

I think I am leaning toward this.

Not that it will ever go away. but I think it should.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@tnt

Agreed. And yet, when debating things like the tax cuts that added billions to the deficit, conservatives were silent.

Without a doubt. Dems are always expected to find pay-fors for spending, but the Trump tax cuts blew a trillion dollar hole in the budget, and all Reps had to do is recite a worthless, discredited theory.

Tax cuts don’t ever pay for themselves.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

Putting it into the hands of one branch… controlled by one person … is what totalitarians do.

We have 3 branches of government for a reason: Checks and balances.

[tnt]

I guess this is why conservatives like abbot and desantis are focusing on mandates. No record to run on with anything else.

[Dem]

We should get rid of it altogether. The only reason we have a debt ceiling is because some in Congress at the time didn’t want WW1 to get too expensive and this was the compromise.

[Borgia_dude]

@conan

So I’ll chuck up another one that wants to take it out of politicians hands and give to to unelected bureaucrats.

My position is if Congress authorized something they are similarly authorizing the associated debt it incurs.