Did the British spy on Trump and tell Obama?

Jezcoe · 2019-04-25T00:52:16.829Z

DougBH:

One could start an unsupported rumor without any proof or any source. All you have to do is look at the last two years of wasted speculation on Trump/Russia collusion to see that.
Eventually it catches up if there is no proof.
Using what they had, if they had gotten anything, would have required providing evidence.
Again, since they got nothing you have no idea what they would have done with the evidence if they had gotten it.
If they just went public with the evidence, you don’t thing someone would have asked how they knew or where they got it from?
Seriously?
You are basically trying to condemn them for something that never happened but that you imagine would have happened a certain way if it had happened.

And as we know from the Trump campaign… Candidate Trump shied away from making claims about his opponents that weren’t 100% verified.

DougBH · 2019-04-25T01:26:04.083Z

Jezcoe:

And as we know from the Trump campaign… Candidate Trump shied away from making claims about his opponents that weren’t 100% verified.

Again, as the two year Russia/Trump hysteria proved, you don’t need real evidence to make claims about illegal activities. If you have real evidence, you have to prove it and the authorities will be asking about it.

Zander · 2019-04-25T01:38:20.517Z

The information would have been meaningless unless they divulged the ultimate source? That statement cannot be taken seriously. I agree with the other poster. There is no way you possibly believe that’s true.

What in the literal world makes you think the trump campaign would have felt any obligation to divulge the source? Trump won’t even release his own tax returns, and we’re supposed to believe his campaign was preoccupied with transparency and sourcing information?

I can see it now…Don Jr. holds a press conference to reveal to the public that the dirt he obtained in Hillary actually originated from Russian intelligence services. ■■■■ out of here dude.

Zander · 2019-04-25T01:41:34.437Z

DougBH:

Jezcoe:

And as we know from the Trump campaign… Candidate Trump shied away from making claims about his opponents that weren’t 100% verified.

Again, as the two year Russia/Trump hysteria proved, you don’t need real evidence to make claims about illegal activities. If you have real evidence, you have to prove it and the authorities will be asking about it.

Exactly. You don’t need evidence to make claims. And if you do have “evidence,” in the context of a campaign, you sure as hell don’t have to divulge it, ever.

zantax · 2019-04-25T08:31:30.319Z

Adam:

Cratic3947:

Jezcoe:

Cratic3947:

After the no collusion conclusion, it does… Look at all the countries that interfered in our elections.

If one reads the Mueller report, one would see a willingness on the part of the Trump campaign to meet with assets that were considered Russian Intelligence.

The fact that it was so brazen that British Intelligence thought it was crazy should tell you something.

How come the left keeps making such claims without any quotes from the report. The tower meeting was debunked long ago. No American was found to collude. And that’s 12 angry dems looking for it…

Jesus. Here’s what the report said about that meeting:

“On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful," the report reads. “The investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban or the application of federal law to the relevant factual context.”

Mueller declined to charge Donald Trump Jr. for meeting with Russian lawyer

They didn’t think they’d be able to prove that Junior and the others knew what they were doing was illegal. Does that help you? I know you’ll just ignore this.

Information, had they been given any, does not constitute a contribution. And if it was, Hillary and the DNC would be just as guilty.

akiko · 2019-04-25T08:54:17.707Z

2 weeks

SimplyTrying · 2019-04-25T09:35:24.422Z

ohknow35:

If nothing was done wrong or illegally, then I’m sure dimocrats won’t mind it happening to their candidates.

Thanks in advance.

No, I don’t want Russia picking my president.

DougBH · 2019-04-25T13:15:11.892Z

Zander:

The information would have been meaningless unless they divulged the ultimate source? That statement cannot be taken seriously. I agree with the other poster. There is no way you possibly believe that’s true.

What in the literal world makes you think the trump campaign would have felt any obligation to divulge the source? Trump won’t even release his own tax returns, and we’re supposed to believe his campaign was preoccupied with transparency and sourcing information?

I can see it now…Don Jr. holds a press conference to reveal to the public that the dirt he obtained in Hillary actually originated from Russian intelligence services. ■■■■ out of here dude.

Lets fantasize it happens your way. Don Jr. holds a press conference saying that Hillary did bad stuff but I can’t tell you the evidence or where it came from.
Yeah. CNN is going to let it go at that and blast Hillary for unsourced accusations.
You don’t really believe that. (see…anybody can say you don’t believe it)

Borgia_dude · 2019-04-25T14:40:41.339Z

conan:

The Report confirms that the June 9, 2016 meeting was just what Don said it was, and nothing more,

Oh? So it was just about Russian adoptions and nothing more?

rolltide · 2019-04-25T15:25:50.185Z

Cratic3947:

Here’s an article from 2017 that says they did. And they were not the only ones…

Always a conspiracy. Always a fairy-tale.
That stuff is great in kindergarten, not in the adult world.

conan · 2019-04-25T15:35:23.658Z

Do you have proof otherwise?

Borgia_dude · 2019-04-25T15:41:38.782Z

conan:

Do you have proof otherwise?

You think the Trump meeting was just about Russian adoptions like Don Jr said?

adroit · 2019-04-25T15:46:46.255Z

zantax:

Information, had they been given any, does not constitute a contribution. And if it was, Hillary and the DNC would be just as guilty.

If it’s not paid for, it sure as hell does.

conan · 2019-04-25T15:48:32.804Z

So no you don’t have any proof.

Borgia_dude · 2019-04-25T16:21:51.727Z

conan:

So no you don’t have any proof.

Well, I guess it isn’t proof since Donald Trump Jr does seem to be a congenital liar but we can look at Donald Trump’s words:

“After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton,” Trump Jr. said

Seems the meeting was about a bit more than Russian adoptions if we can trust Donald Trump Jr.

komobu · 2019-04-25T16:33:39.451Z

Jezcoe:

If one reads the Mueller report, one would see a willingness on the part of the Trump campaign to meet with assets that were considered Russian Intelligence.

It was only 4 years prior that Obama said the 80s called and wanted the Foreign Policy back. They also had the whole “Reset” thing, and Obama was on Hot Mic stating he would have more flexibility after the election.

Given all that, why would Trump look at them as the “Enemy” of the US? It would seem normal to me for a Presidential candidate to try to make foreign connections among friendly nations.

Jezcoe · 2019-04-25T16:37:22.615Z

komobu:

Jezcoe:

If one reads the Mueller report, one would see a willingness on the part of the Trump campaign to meet with assets that were considered Russian Intelligence.

It was only 4 years prior that Obama said the 80s called and wanted the Foreign Policy back. They also had the whole “Reset” thing, and Obama was on Hot Mic stating he would have more flexibility after the election.

Given all that, why would Trump look at them as the “Enemy” of the US? It would seem normal to me for a Presidential candidate to try to make foreign connections among friendly nations.

Obama was wrong

I have no problem saying that.

Jezcoe · 2019-04-25T16:49:51.540Z

komobu:

Jezcoe:

If one reads the Mueller report, one would see a willingness on the part of the Trump campaign to meet with assets that were considered Russian Intelligence.

It was only 4 years prior that Obama said the 80s called and wanted the Foreign Policy back. They also had the whole “Reset” thing, and Obama was on Hot Mic stating he would have more flexibility after the election.

Given all that, why would Trump look at them as the “Enemy” of the US? It would seem normal to me for a Presidential candidate to try to make foreign connections among friendly nations.

To add to this a little.

The “flexibility” hot mic thing is one of the more overblown things to be leveled against him.

When one actually understands what the conversation was about and the result of said conversation, one would actually feel silly continuing to repeat it.

Obama’s great foreign policy mistake pertaining to Europe. was miscalculating the brazenness of Putin and what he was willing to do to reestablish Russian dominance of the Near Abroad and push back against NATO encroachment into his backyard.

So yes… during the Presidential debate, Romney was correct and Obama was as wrong.

History has 20/20 hindsight that way.

komobu · 2019-04-25T17:47:48.105Z

Perhaps you misunderstand me. My point isnt that Obama was a lousy President (That is a given), it is the hypocrisy of our media when they did nothing but publish stories on how Russia was our “Friend” and then chose to chastise Trump for meeting with our “Friend”

Jezcoe · 2019-04-25T17:50:56.446Z

komobu:

Perhaps you misunderstand me. My point isnt that Obama was a lousy President (That is a given), it is the hypocrisy of our media when they did nothing but publish stories on how Russia was our “Friend” and then chose to chastise Trump for meeting with our “Friend”

They were wrong.

I have no problem saying that

At the time, it wasn’t nearly as apparent as it is now. Bad assumptions were made on the false notion that Russia, who has the economy the size of Italy and was at the time very much a political basket case, didn’t pose as great of a danger as they actually did.

Romney was right, Obama was wrong.

No one should have a problem with people changing their opinions based on current information