Desantis Protect Parental Rights in Education

[Oldandtired]

Still calling me a liar I see. And still sitting in your basement I see.

[FreeAndClear]

@Oldandtired

Still calling me a liar I see. And still sitting in your basement I see.

Nope just noting the ability to revert to “well i am so and so”. You are not the first you are not the last. There was a member here who excelled at it. You are much nicer and more polite and i would wager smarter than he. I mean that.

[conan]

Why should rest of society have cater to those few sexual freaks?

[Jezcoe]

@Call_me_Ishmael

Schools and their teachers are government entities… remember? So of course we can hold the government accountable.

There already is a mechanism for doing so that doesn’t empower busybodies bringing State subsidized suits against them if they think that they are breaking the law.

@Call_me_Ishmael

You people try to do that even if a teacher bows their head in silent prayer.

If a teacher prays in school… there is no problem. A teacher cannot legally lead a group of students in prayer.

[Oldandtired]

Still calling me a liar I see.
Seems you got a few of you facts wrong.
I have children. Never had any foster children. I did hire young men who just got out of prision to work for me. But once again you have your facts wrong. I sold the business to my son and grandson at the end of 2021. I am now retired and working with my husband on the ranch full time. Want to know how many cows we have left of calve out? Or maybe you want to know what other jobs and business I have had in my close to seventy years on this earth?

[Optrader]

@PurpnGold

@Optrader

So here’s a solution: School choice.

No, it won’t work. Bad schools will be even worse. Good (private) schools will make even more money from government taxes.

We actually just need more schools and to pay teachers higher wages. If we can get classroom size down to 15-20… and teachers paid 70000-130000k a year across the country… we would be in much better shape.

Why is it that you guys who swear there’s little fraud in welfare, voting and every other thing that conservatives believe there’s fraud in, insist that private schools would become so fraudulent if paid for by tax dollars, that we can’t possibly implement school choice? Nobody is coming across our borders for all the freebies right? But give parents a choice and suddenly there’s fraud EVERYWHERE in the schools.

There’s plenty of fraud waste and abuse in our government. This is news to you? We’ve been hearing the same crap for decades. “JUST GIVE US MORE MONEY AND SMALLER CLASSES AND BAS SCHOOLS WILL GET BETTER!!!” How’s that worked out for us so far? Are schools, especially big city schools getting better? Take a look at statistics in Baltimore for example.

You know the definition of insanity right? To do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. By all means, you guys keep chanting the same mindless mantra over and over again and don’t pay attention to the fact that while your chanting decades after decade, generation after generation of kids are still stuck in bad schools. But then if kids actually DID GET EDUCATED, they wouldn’t need you kind, compassionate Libs to take care of them their whole lives would they?

Mustn’t have that….

[conan]

And we know large percentage of libs base gets off on sexual perversion of children.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

Schools and their teachers are government entities… remember? So of course we can hold the government accountable.

There already is a mechanism for doing so that doesn’t empower busybodies bringing State subsidized suits against them if they think that they are breaking the law.

@Call_me_Ishmael

You people try to do that even if a teacher bows their head in silent prayer.

If a teacher prays in school… there is no problem. A teacher cannot legally lead a group of students in prayer.

That is not a true statement. If the teacher is visible to a student, the law considers that to be the teacher’s endorsement of his religion to that student.

So stop your lying.

[conan]

@JayJay

We can debate what that means but children themselves have rights.

And one of those rights is not to be perverted by sexual freaks.

[Jezcoe]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Jezcoe

@Call_me_Ishmael

Schools and their teachers are government entities… remember? So of course we can hold the government accountable.

There already is a mechanism for doing so that doesn’t empower busybodies bringing State subsidized suits against them if they think that they are breaking the law.

@Call_me_Ishmael

You people try to do that even if a teacher bows their head in silent prayer.

If a teacher prays in school… there is no problem. A teacher cannot legally lead a group of students in prayer.

That is not a true statement. If the teacher is visible to a student, the law considers that to be the teacher’s endorsement of his religion to that student.

So stop your lying.

I love it when simple disagreements are characterized as “lies”

It is certainly is conducive to civil debate.

Anyway… Teachers do not shed their first amendment right by walking through the schoolhouse door. They are free to pray at school as long as it not within their official capacity as a teacher nor can they lead students in prayer in any official capacity.

From the Dept of Ed

Guidance on Constitutionally Protected Prayer and Religious Expression in...

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

[bigtwnvin]

Summer is coming. Bad enough fuel, hotels, meals and everything else associated with a family trip to the Disneys is going to be considerably more expensive now this??
Disney took as much as a 30-35% hit during the Covid shutdowns. Parents might say adios and go elsewhere perhaps Dollywood?

[bigtwnvin]

Like this one?

Biden HHS pick refuses to answer Rand Paul gender reassignment question

[FreeAndClear]

@Oldandtired

Still calling me a liar I see.
Seems you got a few of you facts wrong.
I have children. Never had any foster children. I did hire young men who just got out of prision to work for me. But once again you have your facts wrong. I sold the business to my son and grandson at the end of 2021. I am now retired and working with my husband on the ranch full time. Want to know how many cows we have left of calve out? Or maybe you want to know what other jobs and business I have had in my close to seventy years on this earth?

Nope I only addressed things that you said in the past. You use your life experience as a cudgel against others. So I addressed it. Is that ok?

“close to 70 years on this earth.” That’s pretty cool and you started college at 15.

[PurpnGold]

@Optrader

Why is it that you guys who swear there’s little fraud in welfare, voting and every other thing that conservatives believe there’s fraud in, insist that private schools would become so fraudulent if paid for by tax dollars, that we can’t possibly implement school choice? Nobody is coming across our borders for all the freebies right? But give parents a choice and suddenly there’s fraud EVERYWHERE in the schools.

I said nothing about fraud. It would just be another massive money transfer to corporate interests.

Care to address my broader point about school choice and how it won’t work?

[CanadianJudo]

I attended religious school from K-12.

not once have I ever heard someone say the phrase “They are going to hell” in response to question about LGBTQ+ issues.

[Oldandtired]

So they must pray in the closet.

[JayJay]

They do become fraudulent when they get tax dollars.

Lawsuit seeks $150M from Indiana online schools fraud claims

Enough fraud, scandal and excuses. 5 ways to clean up Florida’s...

The root cause of this?

Taking a pile of money away from schools that are state-regulated and giving it to schools that have very little oversight (indeed in Indiana there have been fights as to who should have the oversight).

This is the issue- a lot of people who support vouchers think parents get cut a check they can then use on the school of choice.

That’s not how it works- the money goes straight to the schools who are the ones who apply for the vouchers…and as you can expect, these unregulated schools pad their student counts to get more money…much of which they spend on advertising and lobbying campaign to keep the status quo.

[Oldandtired]

Look at you still sitting in your basement.

[FreeAndClear]

@Oldandtired

Look at you still sitting in your basement.

Yes i like it here. May be if i graduated high school at 15 and was in college in 68, i wouldn’t have to be in mah basement.

[CanadianJudo]

@Oldandtired

So they must pray in the closet.

or the staff room.