Democrats Requiring States: No Tax Cuts!

JayJay · 2021-03-15T14:36:56.855Z

Again…this topic is choice because this outrage is an implicit admission that today’s right wing knows it’s a myth that tax cuts grow government revenues.

I love topics that expose the fact that certain people know some of their cherished beliefs are myths.

STODR · 2021-03-15T14:59:15.652Z

Which has nothing to do with the post I responded to so go peddle that crap somewhere else.

sikofit · 2021-03-15T15:02:41.161Z

STODR:

Which has nothing to do with the post I responded to so go peddle that crap somewhere else.

Sure it did. You were trying to assert that a double standard wasn’t being implemented and I showed that there was

JayJay · 2021-03-15T15:04:31.980Z

WuWei:

You deflected back to Reagan? Were you even born then? Dude, that was 37 years ago.

And yes, like that. Reagan was not good at adhering to the Constitution.

Try staying on topic.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits the federal government from putting restrictions on any moneys it distributes to the states.

There wasn’t anything unconstitutional in Reagan stating that if states wanted highway funds, they had to raise the drinking age.

Well- I’d have to go back and remember if it was in the appropriations language. If it wasn’t, then there might have been a constitutional problem.

AngraMainyu · 2021-03-15T15:05:42.804Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

You deflected back to Reagan? Were you even born then? Dude, that was 37 years ago.

And yes, like that. Reagan was not good at adhering to the Constitution.

Try staying on topic.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits the federal government from putting restrictions on any moneys it distributes to the states.

If true, that is awesome. Stacking that supreme court won’t mean ■■■■ if we tie all funding to agenda issues.

JayJay · 2021-03-15T15:08:52.695Z

AngraMainyu:

JayJay:

WuWei:

You deflected back to Reagan? Were you even born then? Dude, that was 37 years ago.

And yes, like that. Reagan was not good at adhering to the Constitution.

Try staying on topic.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits the federal government from putting restrictions on any moneys it distributes to the states.

If true, that is awesome. Stacking that supreme court won’t mean ■■■■ if we tie all funding to agenda issues.

Maybe it will initiate a new wave of true federalism in reaction.

The way to truly limit the federal government’s reach is to have a serious discussion as to what they should and should not be involved in.

Personally, I don’t think taxes should be used to try out someone’s pet beliefs in what stimulates the economy. They should be to raise revenues for services/things the federal government is best positioned, by Constitution and by scale, to provide.

THAT is how you manage the size of government in a logical way.

STODR · 2021-03-15T15:09:35.221Z

sikofit:

STODR:

Which has nothing to do with the post I responded to so go peddle that crap somewhere else.

Sure it did. You were trying to assert that a double standard wasn’t being implemented and I showed that there was

I asserted no Damm thing. I asserted people on this board could not be hypocrites for something when this board was not around. You make a valid argument with California’s if you would have used that earlier I would not have responded. There are double standards all over this board but using something that didn’t happen is not one.

sikofit · 2021-03-15T15:25:30.740Z

STODR:

I asserted people on this board could not be hypocrites for something when this board was not around.

Which is why I responded with an example that was only 1 year old

JayJay · 2021-03-15T15:25:45.130Z

From South Dakota v Dole- the five standards SCOTUS used in that case to judge whether conditions to federal funds are constitutional:

The spending must promote “the general welfare.”

The condition must be unambiguous.

The condition should relate “to the federal interest in particular national projects or programs.”

The condition imposed on the states must not, in itself, be unconstitutional.

The condition must not be coercive.

I think for sure points 1-3 apply to the conditions Congress set on the relief aid.

The OPer tried to make a case for Point 4, but again, the wording of the aid is NOT that states CANNOT lower their taxes. That would indeed be unconstitutional.

The wording instead indicates that the relief aid cannot be used to OFFSET REVENUES LOST from a state tax cut. It does not say that a state CANNOT offer a tax cut.

There is nothing wrong with that…that’s simply the feds stating “this money is for revenues lost because of COVID, and this alone”.

Some might debate whether this is coercive. SCOTUS made it clear that coercion was irresistable pressure, and that applying SOME pressure is fine.

I don’t see how anyone can say this is a coercive act on the part of Congress. If a state can afford a tax cut, that’s a clear signal it doesn’t need the federal funding being offered.

Now- does the OPer or anyone else who thinks this move by Congress was “unconstitutional” care to rebut?

Source link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_v._Dole

Guvnah · 2021-03-15T17:46:02.818Z

I love the smell of lib deflection in the morning!

JayJay · 2021-03-15T18:16:27.398Z

Guvnah:

I love the smell of lib deflection in the morning!

I’ll take this as you have no rebuttal…thanks for playing.

GrandWazoo · 2021-03-15T18:43:21.909Z

gooddad409:

The demorat mayor of nashville raised property taxes 34 percent in the middle of a pandemic.

Lots of folks were out of work at that time but the libs are gonna have “their” tax money regardless.

Wild horses couldn’t drag me into that city to live.

He did no such thing. He proposed a budget to the Council. The Council voted 32-8 to raise taxes.
How many of the 32 do you think were Republicans?
And from the articles that I have read, the majority of folks there do not mind the increase because the bulk of it will go to school districts and a big increase for the police budget.

Snow96 · 2021-03-15T18:54:20.402Z

zantax:

Cheer up, my property tax went up 25%, since democrats decided to punish red states.

Okay . . . I’ll bite . . . how did you property tax go up 25%? Or is it that you couldn’t deduct as much off your income taxers?

zantax · 2021-03-15T19:15:31.456Z

Snow96:

zantax:

Cheer up, my property tax went up 25%, since democrats decided to punish red states.

Okay . . . I’ll bite . . . how did you property tax go up 25%? Or is it that you couldn’t deduct as much off your income taxers?

Reassessment of value. The county did it the way they usually do every two years and came up with a 7% increase, the state made them do it differently and they then came up with 25%. Since I was a realtor at one time, I checked the comps and it is not warranted.

Yossarian · 2021-03-15T20:01:23.644Z

zantax:

Snow96:

zantax:

Cheer up, my property tax went up 25%, since democrats decided to punish red states.

Okay . . . I’ll bite . . . how did you property tax go up 25%? Or is it that you couldn’t deduct as much off your income taxers?

Reassessment of value. The county did it the way they usually do every two years and came up with a 7% increase, the state made them do it differently and they then came up with 25%. Since I was a realtor at one time, I checked the comps and it is not warranted.

What state/county is this?
If its a “red” state, how did democrats pull this off?

zantax · 2021-03-15T20:15:38.956Z

Yossarian:

zantax:

Snow96:

zantax:

Cheer up, my property tax went up 25%, since democrats decided to punish red states.

Okay . . . I’ll bite . . . how did you property tax go up 25%? Or is it that you couldn’t deduct as much off your income taxers?

Reassessment of value. The county did it the way they usually do every two years and came up with a 7% increase, the state made them do it differently and they then came up with 25%. Since I was a realtor at one time, I checked the comps and it is not warranted.

What state/county is this?
If its a “red” state, how did democrats pull this off?

Ohio, the Republicans did it, but why did they? Because democrats tied federal money given to states to the unemployment rate. Costing my state a lot of money.

Yossarian · 2021-03-15T20:47:12.779Z

zantax:

Yossarian:

zantax:

Snow96:

zantax:

Cheer up, my property tax went up 25%, since democrats decided to punish red states.

Okay . . . I’ll bite . . . how did you property tax go up 25%? Or is it that you couldn’t deduct as much off your income taxers?

Reassessment of value. The county did it the way they usually do every two years and came up with a 7% increase, the state made them do it differently and they then came up with 25%. Since I was a realtor at one time, I checked the comps and it is not warranted.

What state/county is this?
If its a “red” state, how did democrats pull this off?

Ohio, the Republicans did it, but why did they? Because democrats tied federal money given to states to the unemployment rate. Costing my state a lot of money.

And this all happened since Jan 20th?

Guvnah · 2021-03-15T21:09:27.118Z

JayJay:

Guvnah:

I love the smell of lib deflection in the morning!

I’ll take this as you have no rebuttal…thanks for playing.

Hah! Another deflection!

Smells just as good in the afternoon.

biggestal99 · 2021-03-15T21:11:34.769Z

zantax:

Ohio, the Republicans did it, but why did they? Because democrats tied federal money given to states to the unemployment rate. Costing my state a lot of money

It’s like the SALT and trump.

You live in the wrong state.

Move to a better state.

Allan

JayJay · 2021-03-15T21:25:56.103Z

Guvnah:

JayJay:

Guvnah:

I love the smell of lib deflection in the morning!

I’ll take this as you have no rebuttal…thanks for playing.

Hah! Another deflection!

Smells just as good in the afternoon.

On the contrary, I made an argument and invited a rebuttal. So go for it.