Democrats...appealing to the middle class will not defeat Trump. Start doing things for the middle class now. The middle is drowning out there and all they can do is appeal?

[biggestal99]

Not a snowballs chance in hell of Bernie sanders winning the dem nod.

He is not a member of the Democratic Party.

Allan

[Camp]

THAT is how authoritarians behave.

No tolerance for other POV. Must challenge every thought.

[adroit]

@WuWei

@AmusedObserver

Some people, through no fault of their own, need some level of external support.

Should society help, or does it just suck to be them?

That’s actually a razor question. When you say society, you mean me?

Should I be forced to help is the real question, isn’t it?

I’ll let you answer first.

Yes. The constitution is partly a contract of force between we the people.

[Guilds]

Predictable.

Happy new Year.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

There’s hundreds of them. They can pay for it. I’ll pay for mine.

@WuWei

Not theft. Robbery.

You don’t use the VA because if you do then we are paying for your healthcare. Some would even say it’s robbery

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@komobu

Before you decide on the tax, can we decide what should be covered?

This is a serious question. I have no problem paying for poor kids to get their school shots. I dont like paying for someones condoms. Further, I dont like paying for healthcare problems that are predominately due to someones negligence…ie paying for emphysema treatments for a chronic smoker, or a motorcyclist’s injuries for driving drunk and without a helmet. Also, if a guy goes to the dr now once a year without medical coverage, you better believe he will go once a week if everything is covered.

So lets first define what basic healthcare consists of. Then come and talk to the citizenry about what the cost would be to cover the basic plan.

Make it resemble Canadas

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@sikofit

You don’t use the VA because if you do then we are paying for your healthcare. Some would even say it’s robbery

They are robbing us to pay for the wall

[komobu]

Correct… That is the same plan that was rejected by 26 states in their attempt to get out of it. That may be a healthcare plan, but I would not classify it as “Basic” or “Essential”

[komobu]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Make it resemble Canadas

OK…How much does Canada’s system cost per individual covered? Then take that number to the citizenry and let them vote on it to see if they are willing to support it. If so, I am all for it.

[WorldWatcher]

@komobu

@ImRightYoureWrong

Make it resemble Canadas

OK…How much does Canada’s system cost per individual covered? Then take that number to the citizenry and let them vote on it to see if they are willing to support it. If so, I am all for it.

What is the method used here for a direct vote referendum at the national level?

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[mobulis]

@Mountain_Soldier

@AZslim

This is not proof Democrats didn’t care. This is proof the system didn’t work for your parents. Perhaps it could have been repaired. Now it’s worse.

A lying sociopath claims to have had a plan. He didn’t even give it a second thought. Now that’s somebody who really doesn’t give a ■■■■■

Yeah, the Democrats ■■■■■■ it up for my parents. Not their fault at all, right?

Can’t assign any blame to those on your own side, can you?

When repubs vowed to obstruct and block EVERYTHING that Obama tried to do that means its all on them.

[Cratic3947]

The lefts religion includes climate change, complete with inquisitions and thus they can only make us all poorer. Energy is wealth. They want to build France. Other wise they would sound like Trump on most issues…

[komobu]

Doesnt have to happen at the national level. Do it in the states. This way, the states that like it can go with it. The states that dont like it can opt out. If a majority of states enact it, than the fed could look at implementing it nationally.

[WorldWatcher]

@komobu

Doesnt have to happen at the national level.

@WorldWatcher

Canada’s system cost per individual covered

Do it in the states. This way, the states that like it can go with it. The states that dont like it can opt out. If a majority of states enact it, than the fed could look at implementing it nationally.

Oh, your question was “How much does Canada’s system cost per individual covered?”.

Canada is a country. The USA is a country - hence the national comparison.

I don’t believe they have provincial systems for each province.

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[Mountain_Soldier]

@mobulis

@Mountain_Soldier

@AZslim

This is not proof Democrats didn’t care. This is proof the system didn’t work for your parents. Perhaps it could have been repaired. Now it’s worse.

A lying sociopath claims to have had a plan. He didn’t even give it a second thought. Now that’s somebody who really doesn’t give a ■■■■■

Yeah, the Democrats ■■■■■■ it up for my parents. Not their fault at all, right?

Can’t assign any blame to those on your own side, can you?

When repubs vowed to obstruct and block EVERYTHING that Obama tried to do that means its all on them.

So if only Obama was allowed to do everything he wanted with no Republican input, would the system work.

Wow, you really do regard him as the messiah.

[mobulis]

@Mountain_Soldier

@mobulis

@Mountain_Soldier

@AZslim

This is not proof Democrats didn’t care. This is proof the system didn’t work for your parents. Perhaps it could have been repaired. Now it’s worse.

A lying sociopath claims to have had a plan. He didn’t even give it a second thought. Now that’s somebody who really doesn’t give a ■■■■■

Yeah, the Democrats ■■■■■■ it up for my parents. Not their fault at all, right?

Can’t assign any blame to those on your own side, can you?

When repubs vowed to obstruct and block EVERYTHING that Obama tried to do that means its all on them.

So if only Obama was allowed to do everything he wanted with no Republican input, would the system work.

Wow, you really do regard him as the messiah.

Totally wrong.

[komobu]

I see your point. I should have never asked how much Canada pays per individual, because that really has no bearing on what it would cost here.

That being said, it is troubling to me that the 535 members who make our laws think they know what is best for all 330 million citizens. I would rather their be up to 50 different systems. One for each that chooses to participate. Then when expenses are calculated vs actual care, we could then decide on what system works best and perhaps at that point introduce a National system.

As for the folks with pre-existing conditions, that whole thing could have been solved with a one page bill. Simply allow anyone with pre-existing conditions resulting in healthcare premiums of over 7500 per year being allowed to sign up for medicare.

If that one page bill came up for a vote, what member of our 535 would have the courage to vote against it? I dont think any of them would have the courage to vote against it

[AmusedObserver]

@WuWei

That’s actually a razor question. When you say society, you mean me?

Should I be forced to help is the real question, isn’t it?

I’ll let you answer first.

Yes, I believe that there are people who need society’s assistance, and that funding will come from the members of society at some level - federal, state or community - as there isn’t always, or often, an alternative source. You can call that robbery or theft, if you like . . . but (as an example), what do you think should be done with an 18 year with Down’s Syndrome whose destitute family has passed away?

[Samson_Corwell]

@komobu

Before you decide on the tax, can we decide what should be covered?

This is a serious question. I have no problem paying for poor kids to get their school shots. I dont like paying for someones condoms. Further, I dont like paying for healthcare problems that are predominately due to someones negligence…ie paying for emphysema treatments for a chronic smoker, or a motorcyclist’s injuries for driving drunk and without a helmet. Also, if a guy goes to the dr now once a year without medical coverage, you better believe he will go once a week if everything is covered.

So lets first define what basic healthcare consists of. Then come and talk to the citizenry about what the cost would be to cover the basic plan.

“Paying for” begs the question.

https://www.demos.org/blog/12/2/13/tim-carneys-misunderstanding-money