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WuWei · 2020-02-28T14:00:23.668Z

AngraMainyu:

Not really. I’m fairly certain Bernie Sanders has a better idea of the cost of groceries, utility bills and rent than his other millionaire colleagues.

Why? Because you want it to be true.

Bernie Sanders is a millionaire.

Of course it makes a huge difference.

AngraMainyu · 2020-02-28T14:06:07.486Z

It’s a silly non sequitur. Especially in the context whereby his position is meant to represent the wishes of voters, not his own, in order to be elected. I would assume many of them work and are impressed by his plan.

He is a millionaire. Never denied it.

I would hope it to be true, you are right.

Camp · 2020-02-28T14:25:21.951Z

Rising wages are a fable from the last 50 years that has magically appeared thanks to Trump policy.

gooddad409 · 2020-02-28T14:29:22.945Z

RTchoke:

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adroit:

gooddad409:

Bernie’s tax increases go all the way down to 30,000 per year.

[Citation Needed] (that isn’t a false facebook meme).

Possible he is referencing the 4% income based premium on all income above $29,000 he is creating to fund Medicare for All.

I could be wrong. Right of the top of my head that’s the first thing I know of that references that figure.

Pssst don’t tell him. He really doesn’t want to know.

Well, it’s not like the Bern is hiding it. It’s like they haven’t bothered to read his website or something.

Head in the sand syndrome.

bigtwnvin · 2020-02-28T15:25:27.111Z

How long have you had your paychecks garnished with SS and Medicare? I’m 68 and started seeing witholdings from my first payroll check at age 15. Now retired I still work about 30 hrs a week because I can and still contributing to the Federal, State and local coffers. Sorry, I don’t consider my benefits “entitlements”.
I thought Obamacare was supposed to help people afford healthcare? Why the need to expand Medicare, what went wrong?

Bomberfox · 2020-02-28T16:07:18.614Z

Being a senator isnt a job?

Bomberfox · 2020-02-28T16:10:39.165Z

You think wages have never risen before twump? Lol. You guys need to quit embarrassing yourselves by begging for validation. You will never get it.

Bomberfox · 2020-02-28T16:19:02.031Z

The major problem democrats have is they think they can beat twump with a twump like candidate like bloomberg. They also like to bring calculators, compromises, and stupid failson pundits that created the festering ■■■■■■■■ that is America today in just because they dont like twump’s tweets when they are in a gunfight to the death. Theres even candidates on the stage right now that naively believed that mitch ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ gives a flying ■■■■ about anything other than trying to be a petty tyrant in the senate. They still think they can negotiate with republicans and play the same 90s era politics after all the things they did for 8 years under obama! They cheer about reopening the government after giving twump his ridiculous space force. This particular debate was a sham though.

adroit · 2020-02-28T19:06:01.442Z

RTchoke:

Possible he is referencing the 4% income based premium on all income above $29,000 he is creating to fund Medicare for All.

I could be wrong. Right of the top of my head that’s the first thing I know of that references that figure.

Ah, I was thinking of the 52% income-tax meme going around facebook right now.

So the 4% income-based premium. I’m on the cusp of the top 10% of household incomes and I’d take that in an instant. Just compared to the average family’s premium, this is a no-brainer for working and middle class families. Four percent of $50,000 is a lot better than ~$5,400 (average family premium [1]).

Average Annual Family Premium per Enrolled Employee For Employer-Based Health Insurance | KFF

AngraMainyu · 2020-02-28T21:26:27.475Z

It is an entitlement. Your healthcare is subsidized by the rest of us.

WildRose · 2020-02-28T21:27:33.286Z

There’s been exactly one suspected case of community spread Covid19 in the US so far.

I’ll save my panic for something worthy.

WildRose · 2020-02-28T21:28:26.744Z

Even the party leaders know better than that. They are scared to death to have Bernie as the nominee.

WildRose · 2020-02-28T21:29:05.307Z

Median income was flat or in retreat for nearly all of Obama’s time in office.

WildRose · 2020-02-28T21:29:53.147Z

Based on what exactly? He’s never lived hand to mouth.

Bomberfox · 2020-02-28T21:31:09.735Z

Linky? Which quintile?

WildRose · 2020-02-28T21:35:52.109Z

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It didn’t recover until 2015 back to the same level as when he took office.

bigtwnvin · 2020-02-29T12:01:20.940Z

In a twisted protracted way, if you say so. But considering millions of working people including my self have contributed thousands of dollars each to SS and Medicare during our working careers, I still maintain these are retirement benefits.
The liberal-socialists use the word “entitlement” as a lure to gain popularity among the takers and those who would try to enter this country illegally to get all the free stuff.

AngraMainyu · 2020-02-29T15:57:58.388Z

I was being catty when I used the word entitlement; generally because, these are great programs that for some reason people believe shouldn’t be extended to others, because they aren’t entitled to them (unlike themselves). The fact someone paid into a program for a long time is no reason to deny coverage to everyone else.

In regard to the other issue: I’m never going to be swindled into not supporting something that will benefit millions of Americans because “illegals!”. Not after living in absolute agony for weeks waiting on my punk ass insurance company to finally approve (after several denials) my root canals.

zantax · 2020-02-29T16:39:32.227Z

AngraMainyu:

I was being catty when I used the word entitlement; generally because, these are great programs that for some reason people believe shouldn’t be extended to others, because they aren’t entitled to them (unlike themselves). The fact someone paid into a program for a long time is no reason to deny coverage to everyone else.

In regard to the other issue: I’m never going to be swindled into not supporting something that will benefit millions of Americans because “illegals!”. Not after living in absolute agony for weeks waiting on my punk ass insurance company to finally approve (after several denials) my root canals.

And you think government insurance would be better? Psst, medicare issues more denial of coverage than private insurers, on average, by quite a margin.

bigtwnvin · 2020-02-29T18:39:19.546Z

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The fact someone paid into a program for a long time is no reason to deny coverage to everyone else.
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Medicaid is available, just think taxpayers pay for that too!
You might want to reassess your dental plan.