Delta hitting kids hard

WuWei · 2021-08-15T19:34:06.026Z

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

They better hope it is imaginary otherwise it sounds a bit sociopathic.

Sociopathy in a garbage society may be a virtue.

Said every sociopath throughout history in an attempt to rationalize his behavior.

And some of them were right.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-15T19:35:56.437Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

They better hope it is imaginary otherwise it sounds a bit sociopathic.

Sociopathy in a garbage society may be a virtue.

Said every sociopath throughout history in an attempt to rationalize his behavior.

And some of them were right.

Not today.

WuWei · 2021-08-15T19:36:36.127Z

Borgia_dude:

Not today.

Matter of opinion.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-15T20:54:06.874Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

Not today.

Matter of opinion.

Ok. To me, thinking ICUs overflowing is a problem isn’t hysterics at all and to think it is seems sociopathic. Opinions may vary on that.

WuWei · 2021-08-15T21:33:58.716Z

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

Not today.

Matter of opinion.

Ok. To me, thinking ICUs overflowing is a problem isn’t hysterics at all and to think it is seems sociopathic. Opinions may vary on that.

The assumption being there are more COVID patients than non?

Camp · 2021-08-15T21:35:22.910Z

That could have more to do with ACA than virus.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-15T21:53:19.292Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

Not today.

Matter of opinion.

Ok. To me, thinking ICUs overflowing is a problem isn’t hysterics at all and to think it is seems sociopathic. Opinions may vary on that.

The assumption being there are more COVID patients than non?

Camp:

That could have more to do with ACA than virus.

I’m going to address both here. ACA has been in effect for years. It would be quite a coincidence that ICUs today are overflowed while a pandemic causing people to go to the ICU is not the problem and the ACA is. If the ACA were the problem, it probably would have manifested before. I’d really like something more than a wild guess on your part showing this.

As to sneaky, it isn’t the percent…that doesn’t matter. It is the change versus the normal range of ICU usage. Covid has clearly taxed our hospitals and unless you can come up with some alternate explanation (preferably with evidence that doesn’t reek of hindquarters), Covid remains the reason. Is there some other malady that is sending masses of people to the ICU? A rash of accidents? Tell us.

Camp · 2021-08-15T21:55:56.340Z

Not a wild guess to know ICU are run on a tighter budget with more government insurance patients.

Tougher to guess where all the covid border jumpers went.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-15T21:58:37.792Z

Camp:

Not a wild guess to know ICU are run on a tighter budget with more government insurance patients.

More people on insurance caused less ICU beds? Versus all the people that didn’t have insurance and didn’t pay anything?

Healthcare Dive

California hospital revenue, profitability rose under ACA, Medicaid expansion

Expansion replaced nearly all county-run safety net programs in the state, according to a new National Bureau of Economic Research working paper.

Camp · 2021-08-15T22:00:55.990Z

Government insurance isn’t good for hospital staffing.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-15T22:01:27.252Z

Camp:

Government insurance isn’t good for hospital staffing.

Plenty of links showing revenues rose after ACA. I provided one above.

Camp · 2021-08-15T22:02:19.739Z

Revenues does not equal ICU capacity.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-15T22:02:54.783Z

Camp:

Revenues does not equal ICU capacity.

Nope, but you said tighter budgets. If you want to claim ICU capacity have shrunk since the ACA, just show it.

WuWei · 2021-08-15T23:34:26.365Z

Borgia_dude:

As to sneaky, it isn’t the percent…that doesn’t matter. It is the change versus the normal range of ICU usage. Covid has clearly taxed our hospitals and unless you can come up with some alternate explanation (preferably with evidence that doesn’t reek of hindquarters), Covid remains the reason. Is there some other malady that is sending masses of people to the ICU? A rash of accidents? Tell us.

They are mostly not COVID patients in ICUs. I get what you’re saying, but it’s not right to claim COVID is overrunning ICUs. ICU need is, of which COVID is a part.

Where are those ships?

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-16T00:20:42.576Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

As to sneaky, it isn’t the percent…that doesn’t matter. It is the change versus the normal range of ICU usage. Covid has clearly taxed our hospitals and unless you can come up with some alternate explanation (preferably with evidence that doesn’t reek of hindquarters), Covid remains the reason. Is there some other malady that is sending masses of people to the ICU? A rash of accidents? Tell us.

They are mostly not COVID patients in ICUs. I get what you’re saying, but it’s not right to claim COVID is overrunning ICUs. ICU need is, of which COVID is a part.

Where are those ships?

When a hospital decides how many ICU beds to have, they look at the expected range of demand. Low side, high side and expected. Then they look at profitability of that range to make a decision how many to construct.

So let’s say they have 30 beds. Normally, they expect 20 to be filled at any given time for various ailments pre-Covid. This latest round of Covid has them at 28-30 on a fairly continual basis.

Now if you want to play games and pretend Covid isn’t the cause of them running out of beds, you certainly are free to say that. But you haven’t provided any alternate explanation and certainly not provided any evidence.

WuWei · 2021-08-16T00:25:32.259Z

Borgia_dude:

When a hospital decides how many ICU beds to have, they look at the expected range of demand.

The pandemic is 18 months old. There’s a new normal.

Borgia_dude · 2021-08-16T00:36:44.462Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

When a hospital decides how many ICU beds to have, they look at the expected range of demand.

The pandemic is 18 months old. There’s a new normal.

So we agree they are running out of beds due to the Covid pandemic. Cool!

Ben_Natuf · 2021-08-16T00:45:50.465Z

not my fault you hate science

DisturbedGuy · 2021-08-16T01:20:10.237Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

When a hospital decides how many ICU beds to have, they look at the expected range of demand.

The pandemic is 18 months old. There’s a new normal.

I think the medical community believed we would get more people vaccinated. No one expected a variant 8x as transmissable. They’ve been caught flat footed.

DisturbedGuy · 2021-08-16T01:23:53.881Z

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

As to sneaky, it isn’t the percent…that doesn’t matter. It is the change versus the normal range of ICU usage. Covid has clearly taxed our hospitals and unless you can come up with some alternate explanation (preferably with evidence that doesn’t reek of hindquarters), Covid remains the reason. Is there some other malady that is sending masses of people to the ICU? A rash of accidents? Tell us.

They are mostly not COVID patients in ICUs. I get what you’re saying, but it’s not right to claim COVID is overrunning ICUs. ICU need is, of which COVID is a part.

Where are those ships?

To be fair, Cuomo was on national TV begging for help every day. DeSantis is still denying he has a problem.