Dad leaves Liz speechless

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@Cynic

So let’s say your tax bracket is reduced 10% the year after you retire, is that any fairer? You should get all that money back?

My thread isn’t about general fairness. But I will tell you this. Millions of people will be infuriated if they worked hard to pay off their loans only to have the feds pay off the loans of those who didn’t work hard. This is a hornets nest. No way to avoid it.

Your thread is EXACTLY about general fairness.

You’re simply being selective about which specific type of unfairness will piss you off.

[altair1013]

@JayJay

My thread isn’t about general fairness. But I will tell you this. Millions of people will be infuriated if they worked hard to pay off their loans only to have the feds pay off the loans of those who didn’t work hard. This is a hornets nest. No way to avoid it.

Your thread is EXACTLY about general fairness.

You’re simply being selective about which specific type of unfairness will piss you off.

I think it’s just beginning. This story is just getting started. When (if) Liz unveils her plan, all hell will break loose. This will get worse before it gets better.

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@JayJay

My thread isn’t about general fairness. But I will tell you this. Millions of people will be infuriated if they worked hard to pay off their loans only to have the feds pay off the loans of those who didn’t work hard. This is a hornets nest. No way to avoid it.

Your thread is EXACTLY about general fairness.

You’re simply being selective about which specific type of unfairness will piss you off.

I think it’s just beginning. This story is just getting started. When (if) Liz unveils her plan, all hell will break loose. This will get worse before it gets better.

I see you’re not denying that you are being selective about what type of unfairness pisses you off…

[altair1013]

@JayJay

I see you’re not denying that you are being selective about what type of unfairness pisses you off

I don’t play defense. I’m betting that Sean, Tucker or Laura might pick up on this and run with it. Liz has a lot of explaining to do. She’s managed to avoid it for now. But not for long.

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@JayJay

I see you’re not denying that you are being selective about what type of unfairness pisses you off

I don’t play defense. I’m betting that Sean, Tucker or Laura might pick up on this and run with it. Liz has a lot of explaining to do. She’s managed to avoid it for now. But not for long.

Well you do- your defense is avoidance.

But that’s cool.

[altair1013]

@JayJay

Well you do- your defense is avoidance.

But that’s cool.

So far the media has been giving her a pass. Not asking any serious question. Sooner or later, she will need to provide specifics. Her problem is that she has no specifics. This will get worse before it gets better. Agree?

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@JayJay

Well you do- your defense is avoidance.

But that’s cool.

So far the media has been giving her a pass. Not asking any serious question. Sooner or later, she will need to provide specifics. Her problem is that she has no specifics. This will get worse before it gets better. Agree?

Doesn’t matter to me what they do.

My point about selective outrage stands.

[altair1013]

@JayJay

Doesn’t matter to me what they do.

My point about selective outrage stands.

That won’t help her. She’s painted herself into a corner.

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@JayJay

Doesn’t matter to me what they do.

My point about selective outrage stands.

That won’t help her. She’s painted herself into a corner.

That’s nice. Don’t really care what happens to her.

[altair1013]

@JayJay

That’s nice. Don’t really care what happens to her.

I think many more are about to start sharing this opinion. In a few months she’ll be back on the reservation.

[hwyflier]

At this point, some 20 Trillion in debt, with a pentagon announcement yesterday proclaiming $35 trillion in accounting changes for a 2019, how can anyone stand on a soap box and proclaim anything to be a waste of anything?

This has all become imaginary.

I just googled “Afghanistan cost” and really, what the hell is that even?

1 Trillion? 2 Trillion? It’s anything and everything yet worth nothing.

We could say that the cost of our last 19 years of foreign adventures cost $qua918tacoforfour an nothing will change from yesterday.

Damn near 20 years of the end being nigh. Buy gold! Bolt a big ass safe to the foundation! Horde ammo, if not to shoot but to sell!

Imaginary, kayfabe. But we’ve all bought into it. None of us wanted any of this but we’re always buying more.

I’m over the narrative that declares the citizens of the richest and most powerful nation on earth can’t have what is right or good or beneficial to themselves as individual because the country can’t afford it- as we enter the third decade of spending gajillions on what we all agree is worthless.

[Auto129]

Meh. Speechlessness is the proper response to an argument like that. I don’t think some guy whining about fairness should be seriously entertained in a debate about public policy. Just let him vent.

I support student loan forgiveness or allowing them to be discharged in bankruptcy because it will have a tangible benefit to the middle class and the economy. Fairness is not a concern to me.

[WildRose]

The guy has a good point. He looked ahead and scrimped, saved, worked extra shifts to help get his kids through school instead of taking it easy and not worrying about it expecting the gov’t to provide for his family.

He’s a shining example of what made this country great to begin with.

[DougBH]

@LucyLou

@altair1013

@adroit

This argument has never made sense. How does student loan forgiveness in any way affect this man?

Because his loan does not get to be forgiven. Those who used their money for cars and vacations get the money. It’s a scheme that will piss off millions of people.

Or, they used their money for rent and food.

Or cars, mansions, yachts or food. Should it make any difference? We already have a plan for those who need to spend their money on food and basic shelter. Its called bankruptcy. Allow it for those who can demonstrate they cannot reasonably pay back their loans.
Why on earth would someone who borrowed money so he could make more money expect the debt to be cancelled when he starts to make more money? It was his investment in himself and if it paid off who should be responsible for paying back that investment?

Why doesn’t Warren just promise a certain dollar amount to anyone who can prove they voted for her?

[altair1013]

@Auto129

I don’t think some guy whining about fairness should be seriously entertained in a debate about public policy

Get used to it. People are going to start demanding details which so far she has not been asked to provide.

[DougBH]

Afghanistan cost money. Pay my school debt while I get all the benefit from it.

[hwyflier]

@DougBH

Pay my school debt while I get all the benefit from it.

I’m telling you I’d happily do that for all citizens.

Because it benefits me too.

[Auto129]

@DougBH

Why on earth would someone who borrowed money so he could make more money expect the debt to be cancelled when he starts to make more money?

If that person can make a convincing argument that cancelling his debt is in the best interest of the economy, then it’s reasonable that such an argument would be entertained in a discussion of public policy.

[DougBH]

@hwyflier

@DougBH

Pay my school debt while I get all the benefit from it.

I’m telling you I’d happily do that for all citizens.

Because it benefits me too.

If I borrow money and invest in the stock market, and make a lot of money, then the government will benefit from the taxes I make from the profit. Pay off my debt to buy those stocks.

[hwyflier]

@DougBH

If I borrow money and invest in the stock market, and make a lot of money, then the government will benefit from the taxes I make from the profit. Pay off my debt to buy those stocks.

That’s risk you took upon yourself individually.

I don’t care about how much you pay in taxes.

I care if you can do algebra.