D.C Statehood. Two questions

zantax · 2021-05-04T03:42:50.344Z

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

DougBH:

They choose to stay there, as their parents did. They aren’t tied to the place.

Aren’t you assuming ease of mobility? Not everyone has the resources to uproot and move. Plus, they could be leaving their support system behind as well as a job. If they move, someone still has to stay behind to work that job.

Then we help them move.

Poor people have the highest mobility rate, ie move the most, not the least. And they are, which is why suburban poverty is outpacing cities in the growth of poverty.

from https://nhts.ornl.gov/briefs/PovertyBrief.pdf

The geography of poverty is also changing. More U.S. households in poverty live in suburbs than in big cities or rural communities. The concentrated poverty rate is still highest in big cities, where almost one in four poor residents (23 percent) lived in a distressed neighborhood between 2008-2012, compared to 6.3 percent in suburbs. Suburban communities, however, experienced the largest change in the number of residents living in concentrated poverty. Between 2000 and 2012, the number of suburban poor living in distressed neighborhoods grew by 139 percent—almost three times the pace of growth in cities.

That’s interesting. So you move the poor out of DC. Who will do the jobs in DC then?

People who understand that living there means they don’t get representation and who don’t mind.

What if they do mind?

Don’t live there.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:13:25.955Z

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

That’s interesting. So you move the poor out of DC. Who will do the jobs in DC then?

Commute

So they add a 45+ minute commute, each way, and have the now bear the cost of that commute, all while working low paying jobs. All so they can get representation. I can see you care deeply about them.

45 minutes?

I used the map function, switched it to public transport and mapped from just outside DC to the center.

Minutes is time, not a measure of distance. There will be far less traffic once they move.

I’m not even accounting for traffic. We value our time, not miles on public transport.

Public transit time is work time in today’s society, billable hours. For professionals anyway.

Are you serious? Follow the conversation. We are talking about low paying jobs. Billable hours.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:14:18.505Z

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

DougBH:

They choose to stay there, as their parents did. They aren’t tied to the place.

Aren’t you assuming ease of mobility? Not everyone has the resources to uproot and move. Plus, they could be leaving their support system behind as well as a job. If they move, someone still has to stay behind to work that job.

Then we help them move.

Poor people have the highest mobility rate, ie move the most, not the least. And they are, which is why suburban poverty is outpacing cities in the growth of poverty.

from https://nhts.ornl.gov/briefs/PovertyBrief.pdf

The geography of poverty is also changing. More U.S. households in poverty live in suburbs than in big cities or rural communities. The concentrated poverty rate is still highest in big cities, where almost one in four poor residents (23 percent) lived in a distressed neighborhood between 2008-2012, compared to 6.3 percent in suburbs. Suburban communities, however, experienced the largest change in the number of residents living in concentrated poverty. Between 2000 and 2012, the number of suburban poor living in distressed neighborhoods grew by 139 percent—almost three times the pace of growth in cities.

That’s interesting. So you move the poor out of DC. Who will do the jobs in DC then?

People who understand that living there means they don’t get representation and who don’t mind.

What if they do mind?

Don’t live there.

Someone still has to do the jobs.

Paul_Thomson · 2021-05-04T04:15:06.316Z

Borgia_dude:

Ok. Then who will take those jobs

I don’t think it was intended that federal politician be a permanent career to be practiced 24/7/52 in the area set aside for politicians to convene for debate and policy resolution. I think it was foreseen that a 24/7/52 political presence would attract all the worst kinds of people to the same locus to make their best runs at manipulating and perverting decision-making - lobbyists in other words. I think it was to discourage this permanent beseiging of law-makers by sharks that the region was excluded from representation in the EC.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:18:07.959Z

Paul_Thomson:

Borgia_dude:

Ok. Then who will take those jobs

I don’t think it was intended that federal politician be a permanent career to be practiced 24/7/52 in the area set aside for politicians to convene for debate and policy resolution. I think it was foreseen that a 24/7/52 political presence would attract all the worst kinds of people to the same locus to make their best runs at manipulating and perverting decision-making - lobbyists in other words. I think it was to discourage this permanent beseiging of law-makers by sharks that the region was excluded from representation in the EC.

We are taking about burger flippers, janitors, store clerks, lawn care…

Paul_Thomson · 2021-05-04T04:22:55.963Z

Borgia_dude:

We are taking about burger flippers, janitors, store clerks, lawn care…

Who are there to cater to a permanent encampment of lobbyist and politicians who should not be there.

zantax · 2021-05-04T04:23:10.380Z

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

That’s interesting. So you move the poor out of DC. Who will do the jobs in DC then?

Commute

So they add a 45+ minute commute, each way, and have the now bear the cost of that commute, all while working low paying jobs. All so they can get representation. I can see you care deeply about them.

45 minutes?

I used the map function, switched it to public transport and mapped from just outside DC to the center.

Minutes is time, not a measure of distance. There will be far less traffic once they move.

I’m not even accounting for traffic. We value our time, not miles on public transport.

Public transit time is work time in today’s society, billable hours. For professionals anyway.

Are you serious? Follow the conversation. We are talking about low paying jobs. Billable hours.

Even low skilled workers have phones, and do work on them. Welcome to the information age.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:34:04.740Z

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

WuWei:

Borgia_dude:

That’s interesting. So you move the poor out of DC. Who will do the jobs in DC then?

Commute

So they add a 45+ minute commute, each way, and have the now bear the cost of that commute, all while working low paying jobs. All so they can get representation. I can see you care deeply about them.

45 minutes?

I used the map function, switched it to public transport and mapped from just outside DC to the center.

Minutes is time, not a measure of distance. There will be far less traffic once they move.

I’m not even accounting for traffic. We value our time, not miles on public transport.

Public transit time is work time in today’s society, billable hours. For professionals anyway.

Are you serious? Follow the conversation. We are talking about low paying jobs. Billable hours.

Even low skilled workers have phones, and do work on them. Welcome to the information age.

They sure don’t have billable hours, do they? What work will the burger flipper do while on the bus en route to his job? Or the person who cuts the grass? You think he has billable e we ORL he can go on his phone?

zantax · 2021-05-04T04:36:08.504Z

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone but many do. And it’s a critical part of their business.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:36:24.579Z

Paul_Thomson:

Borgia_dude:

We are taking about burger flippers, janitors, store clerks, lawn care…

Who are there to cater to a permanent encampment of lobbyist and politicians who should not be there.

You think the buildings clean themselves? The museums? Parking lot attendants?

Go ahead and dream up how you think DC should operate. Your dreams don’t change the fact that DC residents don’t have representation.

zantax · 2021-05-04T04:37:31.184Z

Borgia_dude:

Paul_Thomson:

Borgia_dude:

We are taking about burger flippers, janitors, store clerks, lawn care…

Who are there to cater to a permanent encampment of lobbyist and politicians who should not be there.

You think the buildings clean themselves? The museums? Parking lot attendants?

Go ahead and dream up how you think DC should operate. Your dreams don’t change the fact that DC residents don’t have representation.

Still not fooling anyone. Puerto Rico is a better argument though still not persuasive, you should concentrate on that. It serves your nefarious purposes just as well.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:39:59.931Z

zantax:

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone buy many do.

You’re really stretching. There are about 20 McDonalds in DC. Do you envision them billing hours while on the bus?

zantax · 2021-05-04T04:44:03.734Z

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone buy many do.

You’re really stretching. There are about 20 McDonalds in DC. Do you envision them billing hours while on the bus?

Won’t be many of those left pretty soon. Irrelevant, learn to code.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T04:53:46.491Z

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone buy many do.

You’re really stretching. There are about 20 McDonalds in DC. Do you envision them billing hours while on the bus?

Won’t be many of those left pretty soon. Irrelevant, learn to code.

I guess you don’t intend on having a serious conversation. Ok.

zantax · 2021-05-04T04:56:30.873Z

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone buy many do.

You’re really stretching. There are about 20 McDonalds in DC. Do you envision them billing hours while on the bus?

Won’t be many of those left pretty soon. Irrelevant, learn to code.

I guess you don’t intend on having a serious conversation. Ok.

Oh I am sorry, did I imagine the McDonalds app and flippy the robot? What’s next, the bright future of truck drivers?

DougBH · 2021-05-04T05:48:16.840Z

zantax:

Still not fooling anyone. Puerto Rico is a better argument though still not persuasive, you should concentrate on that. It serves your nefarious purposes just as well.

It confuses me that they didnt go after Puerto Rico first. Personally, I don’t think it has much to offer the US and US voters as well as Puerto Rico voters should have a say,…but at least it would be a real state.
When you have that in your pocket, then go after the two Senators from DC.
If that works, then go after Guam and Virgin Islands.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-04T05:58:34.986Z

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone buy many do.

You’re really stretching. There are about 20 McDonalds in DC. Do you envision them billing hours while on the bus?

Won’t be many of those left pretty soon. Irrelevant, learn to code.

I guess you don’t intend on having a serious conversation. Ok.

Oh I am sorry, did I imagine the McDonalds app and flippy the robot? What’s next, the bright future of truck drivers?

I’d prefer we stick to what is, not some nebulous future when every McDonalds, Subway, and Wendy’s is devoid of human voice, only the hum of the machine.

zantax · 2021-05-04T06:03:26.897Z

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Borgia_dude:

zantax:

Know many landscapers that use their phones a lot, cleaning ladies too. Not every low skilled job burns hours on their phone buy many do.

You’re really stretching. There are about 20 McDonalds in DC. Do you envision them billing hours while on the bus?

Won’t be many of those left pretty soon. Irrelevant, learn to code.

I guess you don’t intend on having a serious conversation. Ok.

Oh I am sorry, did I imagine the McDonalds app and flippy the robot? What’s next, the bright future of truck drivers?

I’d prefer we stick to what is, not some nebulous future when every McDonalds, Subway, and Wendy’s is devoid of human voice, only the hum of the machine.

Happening right in front of you and you can’t see it, interesting.

Statista

McDonald's number of employees 2023 | Statista

Coinciding with the increasing digitalization of restaurants, the number of McDonald's employees worldwide has consistently declined over the past decade.

Paul_Thomson · 2021-05-04T06:24:31.842Z

Borgia_dude:

Paul_Thomson:

Who are there to cater to a permanent encampment of lobbyist and politicians who should not be there.

You think the buildings clean themselves? The museums? Parking lot attendants?

Go ahead and dream up how you think DC should operate. Your dreams don’t change the fact that DC residents don’t have representation.

No, they don’t clean themselves. The small plot of land set aside go the Federal government was not supposed to become a permanent encampment of lobbyists who demand 24/7/52 MacDonalds burgers and bar tabs. People choosing to live on that small plot of land know they are on land that doesn’t get representation in elections because it hosts the business of those elected. Those people, if they want to vote, can set up a residence outside of the zone, and vote.

Samm · 2021-05-04T06:41:53.015Z

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

Borgia_dude:

Samm:

The influence they have to convince others to vote with them is worth many times more than one vote out of 436 … sorry, 435.

Oh, I’m fine just quoting you…

Samm:

The influence they have to convince others to vote with them is worth many times more than one vote out of 436 … sorry, 435.

Yes worth many times more than the one vote they would have if they had one. Lets for example say the influence they have to sway others is worth 10 times the value of a single vote. Thus, a Representative with a vote would have a total value of 11 whereas a Representative without a vote would have a total value of 10. The Rep with the vote has more slightly more value.

It would be helpful if you would read what I type rather than what you want to believe that I wrote.

I did. I bolded the hilarious part.

Just stop. What you bolded does not say what you claim it does.