If you are game, I’d like you to dive deeper into this statement.
Cultural failings… I guess we would need to start with… under what circumstances was that culture generated? Africans were brought over here with a culture from their respective villages and tribes. Then it was stripped and away and something else took hold.
So if we go back to the beginnings of how ADOS culture developed. We might find some root causes to some (not all) of the problems we have today.
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I agree. It doesn’t explain why that line for black people have basically remained the same before and after CRA.
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Find out who the slaveowners were and leave us descendants of poor whites out of it.
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The bolded is the part of the bill that is going to open school districts up to all sorts of lawsuits, etc.
This has been the typical tactic of such bills. A Trojan Horse (“let’s put something very specific in that we no ALL people will agree on- i.e. no student should be taught one race is superior to or inferior to another”) followed by the “Greeks hiding in the horse” (i.e. the vague language of “psychological damage” and the allowance of ANYBODY, involved or not, to raise the possibility of a lawsuit).
It’s the vague section that carries with it the true intent of the bill- to freeze out any discussions on race/sex/gender that’s “not acceptable” to the right wing, or, even more insidiously, to bleed public schools dry via litigation and chaos so they can be replaced with for profit private schools.
You think people won’t use the vague language of “psychological stress” to sue? They already have…over mask mandates.
You think I’m being alarmist and conspiratorial?
The people pushing bills like this…and the dark money interests funding them…ADMIT this is what they are doing and what their goals are.
And it’s working.
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Why is it a competition?
It’s not like poor whites today are any better off than poor blacks. They have the same disadvantages by the circumstances of their birth. The justice system is biased against those who cannot afford proper representation. That isn’t exclusively a black struggle. Same with housing loans.
Why not raise up both? Is an ancestry filled with oppression somehow make us more deserving than those with white skin? After all, at least in the south, many of those poor whites have a black ancestor or two whose genetics are no longer visible.
Why not raise up everyone? Or more importantly, provide them the tools to raise theirselves up, so that when they reach that murky point of “success” they are less likely to fall back down the ladder.
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Already responded to that in an earlier post…
But the poverty level for blacks has dropped dramatically since the early 1960s. There are more black families in the middle class than in any time in our nation’s history.
Isn’t success measured by the standards of the individual?
Certainly slavery destroyed the family bonds of the enslaved. The slaver class saw to it that it was destroyed completely.
After all, they were outnumbered by their slaves. Same reason they denied them the right to an education, or the right to bear arms, or even the right to organize absent white overseers looking on. You can’t control people who outnumber you without both dehumanizing them and destroying their ability to build alliances.
A family is the most basic alliance of all, forged in blood. Education improves the self worth of the individual. Arms are a tool they could use against you. And organization creates the conditions for revolution.
The black familial structure was fractured into a million pieces by the slavers. Our ancestors had to try and pick up the pieces and put them back together after slavery’s end. And they were doing a decent job for a long time. It was still far more fluid than white families, but progress was being made for decades despite the immense amount of oppression that was being leveled at them by Neo-Confederate nationalists and racists to keep them separated and easy to control. Black American culture, among the most beautiful of all cultures in the world, was building the conditions for success once the oppressive state was defeated.
But in the modern era, we know and learn of this tragedy when we are young. Yet we refuse to do what is necessary to glue those pieces back together. We have fallen behind. And we have no one to blame but ourselves for that. Those virulent white racists who dominated the state governments and the federal government are dead and gone. No one is holding us back anymore.
Poor whites… still had access to better schools, facilities, hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, capital, homeownership than black people. The fact that poor white people existed, when the system gave them specific advantages, does not mean that they weren’t better off. They were. I know THEY didn’t see it that way, especially when comparing to rich white people… but the laws were structure in such a way that even poor white people had a group that was worse off than they were… they could watch them in the “blacks only”
Stores.
That chart I referenced shows that typically when wealth grows for white people, it grows for black people. However it also shows that the gap is widening. White people aren’t inherently more intelligent than black people. But why is it that they have far far more wealth (on avg) than black people? Even your poorest white family has more wealth than your middle class black family.
There are other forces that have existence that has created that gap. Is that gap worth closing?
The Poorest white family has more “wealth” than middle class black families?
That literally makes no sense. You think dirt poor whites own property? They rent. Just like black people.
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Why is that that poverty level has dropped but wealth has not gone up?
Poverty level for black and white people have dropped since the 1960s. What is considered poverty has also changed over that same time. I suspect we raised the threshold for what is considered poverty and thus added more people to the “middle class”.
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Or there was quality of life advancements among the entire population?
Being poor now is a lot better than being poor 60 years ago.
You don’t think black people have advanced at all since 1965? I reject that. Black people have made enormous advancements in both the work place and in forming successful business ventures.
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Correct.
We are no longer chained to the starting line of the mile race. We are free to build wealth. However do we fix the fact that others in the race started sooner and now are on lap 3?
Or do we just call it good?
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Poor is a relative term. For example our poor here are may be considered wealthy to someone in Somalia. That doesn’t make them less poor by our standards.
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Frankly I don’t understand why it matters.
I don’t judge myself by the successes of other people.
Is progress not being made? It is the journey, not the destination correct?
Also, how do make it truly equitable without punishing those who had nothing to do with the tragedy? Especially those who, in the modern era, are literally at the same starting point?
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At a micro/personal level, neither do I. I would imagine most people don’t. That doesn’t make the gap at a macro level any less concerning.
Progress with wealth, no progress is not being made. But there has been amazing progress elsewhere.
We (USA) find a lot of stuff that I “had nothing to do with”. For example we “fund” Israel and Ukraine. What does that do for my family? It’s not my fault they can’t defend themselves (this is just an example).
To me that isn’t a good enough excuse.
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WuWei
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Beautiful! Well done!
@PurpnGold what is this called?
let’s put something very specific in that we no ALL people will agree on
WuWei
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No! By The Collective. The Identity.
WuWei
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Interest Convergence. And Derek Bell smiles in his grave.
