Crazy Case of Police Abuse

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T18:35:12.623Z

Cratic3947:

Sounds like Ferguson Illinois. Somehow I bet it’s a dem town also…

gimme an “R”!, gimme an “E”!,… ,Goooooo Team!

conan · 2022-01-20T19:58:47.920Z

When you’re getting hit with axe, how sharp it is is irrelevant. You’re still got hit with axe.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T20:07:18.437Z

conan:

When you’re getting hit with axe, how sharp it is is irrelevant. You’re still got hit with axe.

And if you are getting attacked by many axes I would advise defending against the one about to hit you rather than the one that got to you earlier and then left.

conan · 2022-01-20T20:17:37.202Z

Now you’re just justifying governmental abuse to suit your needs.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T20:37:58.794Z

conan:

Now you’re just justifying governmental abuse to suit your needs.

That’s ridiculous. I’ve justified nothing. I simply rejected the value of your comparisons.

This topic brought up a specific case of police abuse and you did not criticize or address it, but rather compared it to some unrelated abuse that bothers you.

All the comparison does is move the focus to your unrelated political axe grinding and bypass criticizing abuse at hand.

To that end it is a simply a change in subject and adds no value to this thread in my opinion.

It’s as if someone contributed to a discussion on which football team is the greatest by saying “golf sucks”.

Guvnah · 2022-01-20T22:08:53.222Z

Snowfinch:

This topic brought up a specific case of police abuse and you did not criticize or address it, but rather compared it to some unrelated abuse that bothers you.

Seems to me that the police abuse that started this thread equally bothers him. It’s why he made the comparison. “Not much different…”

I agree that introducing the comparison generated a rathole that consumed half the thread from that point on, but it’s a comparison that spotlights egregious abuse of authority in each case.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T22:27:00.714Z

Guvnah:

but it’s a comparison that spotlights egregious abuse of authority in each case.

I saw more of shifting the spotlight than focusing it. There is very little in common between these abuses and the presentation seemed designed to bring in R/D partisanship rather than say anything at all about the Brookside police.

There are all kinds of abuse of authority, but I don’t think I’d be adding much to the thread by bringing up how China abuses it citizens, even though it also bothers me.

A lot of discussion here decays into tribal mudslinging and I oppose driving this topic there needlessly.

But It’s a free forum and I’ll drop the issue.

thinkingman · 2022-01-20T22:34:14.607Z

some cops are ■■■■■■■■■ what can ya do

gooddad409 · 2022-01-20T22:39:20.135Z

Samm:

In the 50s and 60s this practice used to be a cliché, particularly in the south … small towns using speed traps to catch unwary Yankies to fund local government. I’m not surprised at all that the practice still exists.

Sounds more like a myth to me. There weren’t enough yankees coming through those small towns to pay for the sodas the towns police would drink in a years time i dare say.

Have you ever even been to the South?

I’ve been here my whole 68 years.

Small towns ticket folks regardless of who they catch most of whom are town residents.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T22:43:27.577Z

thinkingman:

some cops are ■■■■■■■■■ what can ya do

Problem here is that these cops are not necessarily ■■■■■■■■■ They are doing the job they were hired and directed to do… fleece motorists for city revenue.

The problem is the chief and whichever city leaders directed him to design a force to operate this way.

This is a top down abuse, not rotting eggs at the bottom.

Allegedly.

What can happen in these cases is for control to be taken away from city leaders with policies supervised through convent decree or other mechanism. This case is getting a lot of press so I would not be surprised to see the state or DOJ opening a case on this.

conan · 2022-01-20T23:26:27.051Z

The police is working in tantrum with local government,no ■■■■■■■ different then using CoJ and FBI doing the work of authoritarian government.

I understand you need to differentiate police using speed traps and libs using IRS, CoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF and homeland security to go after your political enemies. In fact I would say using those agencies against follow Americans is far worst then this article that was posted in OP.

Only reason libs are upset with this story is because it also targets them…they aren’t exempt. And that what pisses them off.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T23:57:55.180Z

conan:

I understand you need to differentiate police using speed traps and libs using IRS, CoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF and homeland security to go after your political enemies. In fact I would say using those agencies against follow Americans is far worst then this article that was posted in OP.

That’s crap.

And the only poster bringing partisanship into this thread is you. And you had to force a square peg into a round hole to do it.

Yay, you have a tribe and every topic you come across is cast as your tribe against your enemy tribe. Even if the topic has no relation to either.

Here, I’ll sooth your itch… Democrats are self-interested gas bags and a huge part of the problem. They use tired identity politics and freebies to get votes and then sell out to whatever lobbyist butters their bread on every policy they can get away with.

They fight dirty, lie and abuse power when they they have it to maintain their position.

And like Republicans they have die-hard cheerleaders who twist every topic into a lashing out against their political enemies.

conan · 2022-01-21T00:39:59.347Z

My problem is those that claim abuse of power only care when it effect them while remaining silent when it benefits them. Those do that are hypocrites. Be consistent.

gooddad409 · 2022-01-21T00:44:21.837Z

conan:

The police is working in tantrum with local government,no ■■■■■■■ different then using CoJ and FBI doing the work of authoritarian government.

I understand you need to differentiate police using speed traps and libs using IRS, CoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF and homeland security to go after your political enemies. In fact I would say using those agencies against follow Americans is far worst then this article that was posted in OP.

Only reason libs are upset with this story is because it also targets them…they aren’t exempt. And that what pisses them off.

Good Point.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-21T00:54:05.284Z

conan:

My problem is those that claim abuse of power only care when it effect them while remaining silent when it benefits them. Those do that are hypocrites. Be consistent.

I’ll buy that, but you did not execute to your own standards.

You listed only abuses that benefit D and hurt R. Shouldn’t you also list abuses that benefit R and hurt D.

Maybe also throw in some other abuse claims for other groups too.

That’s why I misinterpreted your appeal to consistency. You overlooked listing abuses that you may have benefit from.

Samm · 2022-01-21T01:27:02.673Z

gooddad409:

Samm:

In the 50s and 60s this practice used to be a cliché, particularly in the south … small towns using speed traps to catch unwary Yankies to fund local government. I’m not surprised at all that the practice still exists.

Sounds more like a myth to me. There weren’t enough yankees coming through those small towns to pay for the sodas the towns police would drink in a years time i dare say.

Have you ever even been to the South?

I’ve been here my whole 68 years.

Small towns ticket folks regardless of who they catch most of whom are town residents.

Anyone who wasn’t a local was a Yankee until proven otherwise.

You are just young enough that you don’t remember it. In the sixties, States began shutting down local law enforcement’s ability to operate speed traps. And as I said, it was almost a cliché … every town did not do that.

conan · 2022-01-21T01:37:16.683Z

I don’t like seeing abuse of power period…sadly thou it seems libs are the problem here. Remember I’m not targeting liberals…true liberals. But it seems true liberals have vanished into thin air.

You weren’t here back during patriot act and how if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about etc.

I’v been consistence here for nearly 17 years. I’m always the first to send out warning signs. But IMO we need the justice department to go after libs…but again they’re libs so they won’t do that.

Libs equal authoritarianism hiding behind liberalism to impose their authoritarianism. They’re fake liberals. Enemy at the gate are less feared.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-21T01:55:10.747Z

conan:

I don’t like seeing abuse of power period…sadly thou it seems libs are the problem here. Remember I’m not targeting liberals…true liberals. But it seems true liberals have vanished into thin air.

I don’t see how this ticketing scam in Brookside is cause by D or R or ideology at all. Looks like greed brazenness instigated locally. You’ll have to connect the dots for me.

conan:

You weren’t here back during patriot act and how if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about etc.

I was here, just not posting.

conan:

I’v been consistence here for nearly 17 years. I’m always the first to send out warning signs. But IMO we need the justice department to go after libs…but again they’re libs so they won’t do that.

Libs equal authoritarianism hiding behind liberalism to impose their authoritarianism. They’re fake liberals. Enemy at the gate are less feared.

Sure, but the standard you applied to me was that it was hypocritical for me to post about this Brookside thing without also bringing up D, or lib, or whatever you want to call the cadre that you oppose.

But seems you can talk about this lib abuse all on its own.

I’m not sure I buy that your standard is “consistency”. It seems more like you want me to focus on lib abuse and not bring up this Brookside thing at all.

Reading between the lines I sense that in your view all abuse is coming from libs so that’s all you need to bring up. But that is not my view at all, so how should I apply your consistency standard to your posts that have so far only presented abuse from one side.

Something seems fishy with these standards.

conan · 2022-01-21T02:10:33.828Z

I would like if you focus on all abuse of power, whether it’s a corrupt police or federal government agency like FBI. They erode our freedoms and harm our civil liberties.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-21T02:42:33.349Z

conan:

I would like if you focus on all abuse of power, whether it’s a corrupt police or federal government agency like FBI. They erode our freedoms and harm our civil liberties.

Really not possible to focus on them all in each thread.

When I see clear cut abuses I speak my piece, but nothing nefarious about me choosing one specific case or another.

Certain things draw me into discussion more than others and the less partisan they are the more I am interested. Certain topics in this forum are so charged up with over the top playground antics that I just steer clear.