Crazy Case of Police Abuse

conan · 2022-01-20T16:49:41.338Z

Well in this case is that not abuse? Abuse of power? It’s no different whether they’re trapping people for revenues or for political power, it’s still abuse of power IMO.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T17:49:14.069Z

conan:

Well in this case is that not abuse? Abuse of power? It’s no different whether they’re trapping people for revenues or for political power, it’s still abuse of power IMO.

You didn’t detail a specific case, but I did assume you are talking about a abuse. The point isn’t that it’s not abuse. The point is that my response to a thread on that abuse would be to criticize it directly and specifically rather than say:

“It’s no different than police using their power to abuse motorists”

At best that is an irrelevant response, but more than likely will be read as justifying the abuse that is the topic.

You need to match the axe to the grinding station so to speak.

Cratic3947 · 2022-01-20T18:17:31.357Z

Sounds like Ferguson Illinois. Somehow I bet it’s a dem town also…

Guvnah · 2022-01-20T18:26:55.027Z

Samm:

In the 50s and 60s this practice used to be a cliché, particularly in the south … small towns using speed traps to catch unwary Yankies to fund local government. I’m not surprised at all that the practice still exists.

This was what I was going to contribute. You beat me to it.

I recall a story (or legend?) of a guy who got stopped in a Georgia town like this. Cop asked if the driver knew how fast he was going. Guy replied, “Probably not as fast as General Sherman passed through here…” And he ended up spending a weekend in jail before getting bailed out.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T18:35:12.623Z

Cratic3947:

Sounds like Ferguson Illinois. Somehow I bet it’s a dem town also…

gimme an “R”!, gimme an “E”!,… ,Goooooo Team!

conan · 2022-01-20T19:58:47.920Z

When you’re getting hit with axe, how sharp it is is irrelevant. You’re still got hit with axe.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T20:07:18.437Z

conan:

When you’re getting hit with axe, how sharp it is is irrelevant. You’re still got hit with axe.

And if you are getting attacked by many axes I would advise defending against the one about to hit you rather than the one that got to you earlier and then left.

conan · 2022-01-20T20:17:37.202Z

Now you’re just justifying governmental abuse to suit your needs.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T20:37:58.794Z

conan:

Now you’re just justifying governmental abuse to suit your needs.

That’s ridiculous. I’ve justified nothing. I simply rejected the value of your comparisons.

This topic brought up a specific case of police abuse and you did not criticize or address it, but rather compared it to some unrelated abuse that bothers you.

All the comparison does is move the focus to your unrelated political axe grinding and bypass criticizing abuse at hand.

To that end it is a simply a change in subject and adds no value to this thread in my opinion.

It’s as if someone contributed to a discussion on which football team is the greatest by saying “golf sucks”.

Guvnah · 2022-01-20T22:08:53.222Z

Snowfinch:

This topic brought up a specific case of police abuse and you did not criticize or address it, but rather compared it to some unrelated abuse that bothers you.

Seems to me that the police abuse that started this thread equally bothers him. It’s why he made the comparison. “Not much different…”

I agree that introducing the comparison generated a rathole that consumed half the thread from that point on, but it’s a comparison that spotlights egregious abuse of authority in each case.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T22:27:00.714Z

Guvnah:

but it’s a comparison that spotlights egregious abuse of authority in each case.

I saw more of shifting the spotlight than focusing it. There is very little in common between these abuses and the presentation seemed designed to bring in R/D partisanship rather than say anything at all about the Brookside police.

There are all kinds of abuse of authority, but I don’t think I’d be adding much to the thread by bringing up how China abuses it citizens, even though it also bothers me.

A lot of discussion here decays into tribal mudslinging and I oppose driving this topic there needlessly.

But It’s a free forum and I’ll drop the issue.

thinkingman · 2022-01-20T22:34:14.607Z

some cops are ■■■■■■■■■ what can ya do

gooddad409 · 2022-01-20T22:39:20.135Z

Samm:

In the 50s and 60s this practice used to be a cliché, particularly in the south … small towns using speed traps to catch unwary Yankies to fund local government. I’m not surprised at all that the practice still exists.

Sounds more like a myth to me. There weren’t enough yankees coming through those small towns to pay for the sodas the towns police would drink in a years time i dare say.

Have you ever even been to the South?

I’ve been here my whole 68 years.

Small towns ticket folks regardless of who they catch most of whom are town residents.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T22:43:27.577Z

thinkingman:

some cops are ■■■■■■■■■ what can ya do

Problem here is that these cops are not necessarily ■■■■■■■■■ They are doing the job they were hired and directed to do… fleece motorists for city revenue.

The problem is the chief and whichever city leaders directed him to design a force to operate this way.

This is a top down abuse, not rotting eggs at the bottom.

Allegedly.

What can happen in these cases is for control to be taken away from city leaders with policies supervised through convent decree or other mechanism. This case is getting a lot of press so I would not be surprised to see the state or DOJ opening a case on this.

conan · 2022-01-20T23:26:27.051Z

The police is working in tantrum with local government,no ■■■■■■■ different then using CoJ and FBI doing the work of authoritarian government.

I understand you need to differentiate police using speed traps and libs using IRS, CoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF and homeland security to go after your political enemies. In fact I would say using those agencies against follow Americans is far worst then this article that was posted in OP.

Only reason libs are upset with this story is because it also targets them…they aren’t exempt. And that what pisses them off.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-20T23:57:55.180Z

conan:

I understand you need to differentiate police using speed traps and libs using IRS, CoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF and homeland security to go after your political enemies. In fact I would say using those agencies against follow Americans is far worst then this article that was posted in OP.

That’s crap.

And the only poster bringing partisanship into this thread is you. And you had to force a square peg into a round hole to do it.

Yay, you have a tribe and every topic you come across is cast as your tribe against your enemy tribe. Even if the topic has no relation to either.

Here, I’ll sooth your itch… Democrats are self-interested gas bags and a huge part of the problem. They use tired identity politics and freebies to get votes and then sell out to whatever lobbyist butters their bread on every policy they can get away with.

They fight dirty, lie and abuse power when they they have it to maintain their position.

And like Republicans they have die-hard cheerleaders who twist every topic into a lashing out against their political enemies.

conan · 2022-01-21T00:39:59.347Z

My problem is those that claim abuse of power only care when it effect them while remaining silent when it benefits them. Those do that are hypocrites. Be consistent.

gooddad409 · 2022-01-21T00:44:21.837Z

conan:

The police is working in tantrum with local government,no ■■■■■■■ different then using CoJ and FBI doing the work of authoritarian government.

I understand you need to differentiate police using speed traps and libs using IRS, CoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF and homeland security to go after your political enemies. In fact I would say using those agencies against follow Americans is far worst then this article that was posted in OP.

Only reason libs are upset with this story is because it also targets them…they aren’t exempt. And that what pisses them off.

Good Point.

Snowfinch · 2022-01-21T00:54:05.284Z

conan:

My problem is those that claim abuse of power only care when it effect them while remaining silent when it benefits them. Those do that are hypocrites. Be consistent.

I’ll buy that, but you did not execute to your own standards.

You listed only abuses that benefit D and hurt R. Shouldn’t you also list abuses that benefit R and hurt D.

Maybe also throw in some other abuse claims for other groups too.

That’s why I misinterpreted your appeal to consistency. You overlooked listing abuses that you may have benefit from.

Samm · 2022-01-21T01:27:02.673Z

gooddad409:

Samm:

In the 50s and 60s this practice used to be a cliché, particularly in the south … small towns using speed traps to catch unwary Yankies to fund local government. I’m not surprised at all that the practice still exists.

Sounds more like a myth to me. There weren’t enough yankees coming through those small towns to pay for the sodas the towns police would drink in a years time i dare say.

Have you ever even been to the South?

I’ve been here my whole 68 years.

Small towns ticket folks regardless of who they catch most of whom are town residents.

Anyone who wasn’t a local was a Yankee until proven otherwise.

You are just young enough that you don’t remember it. In the sixties, States began shutting down local law enforcement’s ability to operate speed traps. And as I said, it was almost a cliché … every town did not do that.