Covid Vaccine is not a Vaccine?

[zantax]

I said it doesn’t enter the nucleus but it does enter the outer cell and instruct the cell to make the protein.

[JayJay]

@zantax

I said it doesn’t enter the nucleus but it does enter the outer cell and instruct the cell to make the protein.

And?

That doesn’t make it a gene therapy.

A gene therapy by definition is a therapy designed to repair a defective gene in the genome.

It will actually alter a person’s existing genome.

The mRNA vaccines and the J&J AAV vaccine don’t do this…

They are vaccines.

[Toll_Collector]

I read that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is more like the typical vaccine.

[DMK]

@Jezcoe

Don’t know much about vitamin C… I get wary when people push Vitamin C megadosing

Too much of anything isn’t good for you. However, my understanding is because vitamin C is water soluble any excess is expelled. However, fat solubles can reach toxic levels and create adverse effects.

[DMK]

@tnt

• You get the shot.
• You don’t get COVID.

My understanding is that this is not a vaccine. It helps your immune response when infected with covid.

[DMK]

I have to say the jury is still out for me on this.

If I have a choice it will be Johnson & Johnson.

[rp5x5]

There is advanced science requiring revelations that money people, pill/pharna, politicians, kick-back artists, patent speculators and parasitic, administrators will never understand.

[SottoVoce]

@rp5x5

There is advanced science requiring revelations that money people, pill/pharna, politicians, kick-back artists, patent speculators and parasitic, administrators will never understand.

Add HIV to the conspiracy list. Got it.

[rp5x5]

“Conspiracy” of greedy pigs–who never figure anything out. It’s all about $$$$ and greed. Like Advertising left honesty behind long ago.

[amadeus]

@rp5x5

“Conspiracy” of greedy pigs–who never figure anything out. It’s all about $$$$ and greed. Like Advertising left honesty behind long ago.

I like how you speak truth to power. By the way, which vaccine did you take?

[rp5x5]

I thought leftists were on the side of Occupy Wallstreet and others critical of the 1%'ers who only seek more $$$$, regardless of right and wrong. That was just a ruse I guess.

[tnt]

No- they are all vaccines. don’t fall prey to the misinformation.

[RTchoke]

@tnt

1. You get the shot.

2. You don’t get COVID.

That’s a little black and white, when the reality is more grey.

Yes, you can still get infected with Covid-19 after being vaccinated. Here's...

[zantax]

@JayJay

@zantax

I said it doesn’t enter the nucleus but it does enter the outer cell and instruct the cell to make the protein.

And?

That doesn’t make it a gene therapy.

A gene therapy by definition is a therapy designed to repair a defective gene in the genome.

It will actually alter a person’s existing genome.

The mRNA vaccines and the J&J AAV vaccine don’t do this…

They are vaccines.

Already conceded this earlier, it is experimental Mrna therapy, not experimental gene therapy. That is why I debate here. It prompts me to do research and learn new things.

[biggestal99]

@SottoVoce

Not sure if you’re serious but I have a few minutes to kill.

1. The vaccine is basically mRNA coated in fats which are transported into cells and released.
2. The cells use the mRNA delivered by the vaccine to make the part of the virus which attaches it to cells.
3. The cell “grinds up” that part into smaller pieces.
4. Those smaller pieces are then presented to immune cells.
   4a. If presented to “helper” T cells, they can cause antibody production (also other functions).
   4b. If presented to “killer” T cells, they can lead to the death of the presenting cell as the body interprets the cell as being infected.

EDIT: In my explanation, the “viral antigen” is the part of COVID which attaches to cells (spike protein). It could be any part of a virus which causes an immune response, however.

Thanks for that dumb down explanation.

Most excellent.

I’ll be getting mine next month.

Allan

[biggestal99]

@zantax

it is experimental Mrna therapy,

If it stops from people from dying it’s not experimental.

Allan

[zantax]

@biggestal99

@zantax

it is experimental Mrna therapy,

If it stops from people from dying it’s not experimental.

Allan

Well, that makes no sense.

[GWH]

It’s experimental. It’s been out for 3 months, we’re the experiment at this point. The trials were to see if it killed anyone and if it was effective. That doesn’t mean that there won’t be long term adverse effects. We just don’t know, and that’s ok. I will probably get the vaccine when it comes my turn. My wife has already had the first dose. I won’t advocate for my son getting it for another year or two after it’s discovered that there are no ill effects from the vaccine that may put him at risk more so than the virus itself. That’s the experiment.

[Guntsu]

I am the last man on the totem pole regarding my eligibility, if you all turn pink and start speaking a different language I will know to stay away…

[tzu]

Colloidal silver nutbag.