COVID-19 Deaths per million by country. US is #9

[Snow96]

@tnt

If we had testing in tracking in place when the first cases hit our shores it’s questionable as to whether many states outside of the major ports of entry would have ever had to be shut down.

So what date did it first hit our shores?

[tnt]

@Snow96

So what date did it first hit our shores?

Same date it hit SK.

Seems possible it actually hit earlier, but that would be true for them as well.

[Snow96]

@tnt

Same date it hit SK.

Seems possible it actually hit earlier, but that would be true for them as well.

What was that date?

[tnt]

sometime in January.

[Snow96]

@tnt

Same date it hit SK.

Seems possible it actually hit earlier, but that would be true for them as well.

Let me give you a hint.

First confirmed case SK Jan 20
First confimed case in US Jan 15

Remember those are ONLY confirmed cases. It could have been here weeks before that.

So I ask again, what date did it arrive in the US and we should have started doing testing and contract tracing? Should it have been Jan 15th? Should it have been a week earlier? Two weeks earlier?

[Snow96]

@tnt

sometime in January.

Oh that’s perfect. ON the date it got here. When was that. Sometime in January

First case confirmed in US Jan 15th. Jan 7th is when China alegedly identified the strain and started working on tests.

How was the US supposed to have something ready before Jan 7th? How long did it take China to share the information with other countries to start working on tests? How long does it take to ramp up on tests?

Do you REALY think 2 weeks is enough time for that to happen? Remember Jan 15th first confirmed case – do you realy think that was actually the first case in the US?

[Snow96]

Sorry, let me correct this

First confirmed case in US and UK Jan 20.

Subject in US went to hospital on Jan 19, after being sick for at least 4 days (puts it back to Jan 15th of the first person with symptoms)

So Jan 15th would be the first known case in the US, he arrived from china on Jan 15th, had symptoms on Jan 15th, and 4 days later herd a report about a new virus in China and went to the hospital.

Testing at that time had to be sent to CDC (why it took a full day to get results).

When was the ramping up of test kids supposed to take place?

[conan]

It might have been sooner. 2 Snohomish County residents who had severe respiratory illness in December has anti-bodies for CV.

COVID-19 antibodies found in 2 Wash. residents who were sick in December

Now they’re trying to paint it out that was different virus and was asymptomatic later. Not buying it.

So, they say it’s likely the patients had another virus in December, then got asymptomatic COVID-19 later.

There is speculation that this virus started back in Oct.

[Snow96]

I was trying to get the user I was talking to to nail day the date the virus arrived here. And when testing was available. They wanted testing sooner.

Jan 7 to Jan 15. Now I’m trying to see if they think a ramping up of testing available could happen in 8 days knowing only what we knew then.

Or that contact tracing needed to start on Jan 15th in a much larger scale than it did.

[tnt]

@Snow96

So I ask again, what date did it arrive in the US and we should have started doing testing and contract tracing? Should it have been Jan 15th? Should it have been a week earlier? Two weeks earlier?

I think maybe you aren’t clear on how testing and tracing works.

You start with the first case that presents with symptoms. And you trace all their contacts and test them as warranted.

You don’t have to indisciniantly test the population for testing and tracing to work.

And of course you will miss some, particularly in the beginning, but if you have a protocol in place, like these other countries, you can contain the spread.

But we didn’t. We were banking on…I don’t know what…

[tnt]

@Snow96

Oh that’s perfect. ON the date it got here. When was that. Sometime in January

First case confirmed in US Jan 15th. Jan 7th is when China alegedly identified the strain and started working on tests.

How was the US supposed to have something ready before Jan 7th? How long did it take China to share the information with other countries to start working on tests? How long does it take to ramp up on tests?

Do you REALY think 2 weeks is enough time for that to happen? Remember Jan 15th first confirmed case – do you realy think that was actually the first case in the US?

How did SK do it? How did Tiawan do it?

[conan]

@tnt

You start with the first case that presents with symptoms. And you trace all their contacts and test them as warranted.

And when was that?

[Snow96]

@tnt

I think maybe you aren’t clear on how testing and tracing works.

I’m very familary with how it works.

@tnt

You start with the first case that presents with symptoms. And you trace all their contacts and test them as warranted.

So Jan 15th is when you wanted testing to start and tracing to start. Even though no one knew it was airborm spread at the time? You only know that NOW.

@tnt

You don’t have to indisciniantly test the population for testing and tracing to work.

No you don’t.

@tnt

And of course you will miss some, particularly in the beginning, but if you have a protocol in place, like these other countries, you can contain the spread.

And right now you are using your wonderful 20/20 hindsign in knowing that it would be as bad as it was. Were were your threads in January calling for this?

[Snow96]

@tnt

How did SK do it? How did Tiawan do it?

What are their regulations/protocol compared to the United States? What are there travel normals compared to the united states? How about population and land area?

[PurpnGold]

@Snow96

What are their regulations/protocol compared to the United States? What are there travel normals compared to the united states? How about population and land area?

Why does any of that matter? We are the richest most technologically advanced nation on earth. You mean we couldn’t do what those smaller less advanced countries were able to?

Please

[Snow96]

@PurpnGold

Why does any of that matter?

What are the regulations for testing for something to be approved in the United States Vs SK or Taiwan?

@PurpnGold

We are the richest most technologically advanced nation on earth.

And?

@PurpnGold

You mean we couldn’t do what those smaller less advanced countries were able to?

Hmmmm Taiwan 23 million population vs 300 million+ in the united states. How much easier is it to control where 23 million people go vs 300 million. Then consider the land area and how far people travel? To do what they did, you would have had to completely shut down this country Jan 15th.

[PurpnGold]

@Snow96

What are the regulations for testing for something to be approved in the United States Vs SK or Taiwan?

Wasn’t it the Trump admin who touted how many barriers they broke to get things approved. Again… doesn’t seem like an issue.

@Snow96

Hmmmm Taiwan 23 million population vs 300 million+ in the united states. How much easier is it to control where 23 million people go vs 300 million. Then consider the land area and how far people travel? To do what they did, you would have had to completely shut down this country Jan 15th.

What’s the GDP between the 2 countries? Yes we are bigger but we are also richer and have vast resources.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

most technologically advanced nation on earth.

Not even close.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Not even close.

Who’s better?

[JayJay]

@WildRose

As I said. We know know the first cases had emerged in October/early November.

We now have every reason to believe we had hundreds if not thousands of people already infected in the US before we ever even knew there was anything serious going on in China due to their and WHO’s cover up of the extent, severity, and person to person spread of the disease.

The bulk of the spread of the virus is in New York.

The virus at the heart of that spread was from Europe, not China.