Court orders dakota acces pipeline shut

Bigjohn · 2020-07-06T17:39:35.370Z

Well you have to make sure you have done a good cement job around the casing to stop the wicking of fluids. To be honest I would be more worried about disposal of the return fluids.

SixFoot · 2020-07-06T17:40:24.436Z

WuWei:

My guess is if they reroute the line to actually go onto the reservation and paid some kind royalties, the concern about the water would go away.

■■■■ talks, money walks.

Bigjohn · 2020-07-06T17:46:41.561Z

Not i the landman does a good job and they do good geophysics and geotechnical work it shouldn’t be an issue however a lot of the rush for cheap shale oil has been done by corner cutters. This price bust has shown what a sort of three card Monte shale oil really is and what sort of people have been involved now I am not talking the likes of Oxy, Hess or Exxon but I mean the small operators who put profit over standards

sikofit · 2020-07-06T17:54:58.218Z

Ben_Natuf:

unusual circumstances and previous precedent both. get over it

No, there was no previous precedent. At no point in American history has a Supreme Court nominee been held up for almost a year until a new President was voted in.

Smyrna · 2020-07-06T17:59:04.042Z

Bigjohn:

Not i the landman does a good job and they do good geophysics and geotechnical work it shouldn’t be an issue however a lot of the rush for cheap shale oil has been done by corner cutters. This price bust has shown what a sort of three card Monte shale oil really is and what sort of people have been involved now I am not talking the likes of Oxy, Hess or Exxon but I mean the small operators who put profit over standards

Thank you for the honesty. I truly question the risk all of us have to our fresh water supply, for the huge financial reward shared by the few.

JayJay · 2020-07-06T18:19:11.915Z

Ben_Natuf:

unusual circumstances and previous precedent both. get over it

Nope because McConnell has already said if the same situation happens this year, he’s nominating someone and the Senate will confirm them.

Politics, not unusual circumstances/precedent.

DougBH · 2020-07-06T18:19:52.906Z

From the article: “The decision marked the end of a yearslong legal battle over the Energy Transfer Partners-owned pipeline’s environmental damage to the Missouri River.”

This is not a suit over any environmental damage to the Missouri River. There has been none.
This is hardly the end, as the hold on the use of the pipeline until a more detailed review that conforms to the judges desires is performed will be appealed.

CanadianJudo · 2020-07-06T18:29:03.968Z

Doubtful.

WuWei · 2020-07-06T18:31:57.130Z

CanadianJudo:

Doubtful.

CanadianJudo · 2020-07-06T18:33:23.790Z

You dont think the company already offered the money.

WuWei · 2020-07-06T18:34:51.370Z

CanadianJudo:

You dont think the company already offered the money.

No. And I am not talking about a one-time payment.

Grimalken · 2020-07-06T19:19:55.612Z

Really makes me wonder why the federal government did not bother to hear from the tribes back during the Obama administration, where this all started

Bigjohn · 2020-07-06T19:27:49.254Z

Sounds like it boils down to , very, bad stakeholder identification and management. We did a job in Brazil and we did bad due diligence and failed to identify one small faction and it held up start up for many months

Yossarian · 2020-07-06T19:41:59.282Z

Grimalken:

Really makes me wonder why the federal government did not bother to hear from the tribes back during the Obama administration, where this all started

Because “this” started in 2017 and Obama was’t president…

“President Donald Trump granted the permit in 2017 over the objections of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and environmental activists…”

Grimalken · 2020-07-06T20:20:24.622Z

According to this link, the input for the project started back in 2014, and construction started back in 2016.

Dakota Access Pipeline - Wiki

It has been operating since June 2017, and I seriously doubt Trump started the surveying, EPA review and all the red tape between states and feds and the pipeline’s construction and completed and operating, in six months flat. Well, more like five months and some change.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2020-07-07T11:14:59.137Z

I bet not.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-07-07T22:54:11.345Z

its happened 9 times. learn history

Ben_Natuf · 2020-07-07T22:58:05.716Z

That would also be keeping with precedent. The precedent set about 200 years ago and followed every time but one since then is that in an election year, when the Potus and Xenate majority are of opposing parties, no vote. When they are of the same party, vote. It is politics, thats what we elect politicians for, to practice politics

sikofit · 2020-07-08T14:29:12.614Z

Ben_Natuf:

its happened 9 times. learn history

No it hasn’t. Name them

Ben_Natuf · 2020-07-08T15:25:27.182Z

sikofit:

No it hasn’t. Name them

go find the thread where it was discussed at length before and look for yourself. It has happened 9 times, and in every case but one (two if you count elevation to chief justice) the nominee was not seated and not voted on. In the one case where one was there were two vacancies and the parties agreed to seat one and leave the other vacant for the new POTUS. Learn history.